Questions about the lore

[lookingfor]

1 Why Chinese Emperor is Indo-Hellenic rather than Konphosian?
Edit: There is "A state-run Indohellenic-Confucian religion is widely disseminated throughout the Empire. " in 11CE, but I'm still confused.
2 Why Roma is one of the Yehudi holy sites?
3 There are Exarchate of Palaestina and King of Deheurbath in LI timeline,but they seems not to appear in game?
4 Does Indian in LI have caste?(I haven't seen it in game)
5 What is the fate of the crusade in 1020?

 

[lookingfor]

More questions:
6 In desc of Eudoxios Eucratides,why does it say "Nestorianism has won the souls of kathay emperors"?
7 In desc of Theoderic Balthing, it says that Theodoric became the first Emperor of Hispania. But what about Septimius Severus? Does he not hailed as Emperor of Hispania in 210CE?

 

[DeathLawlie]

1. I thinks it's probably because the chinese emperor is for the moment more a placeholder than anything else. It will probably be reworked by the devs later.

2. In LI, some holy sites are given not because of their importance for one specific religions but because of their importance in the world. For example, if a yehudi ruler have Rome under it's control and put here a great rabbi, it would be a strong move.

3. the exarchate of Palaestina was probably destroyed by the catholic crusaders who established the kingdom of Jerusalem

4. Maybe indo-hellenic rule have weakened the importance of caste in Indian society, or at least changed it, but I'm not sure

7. There is a lot of "First Emperor of Hispania", Viriato apparently also became Emperor of Hispania. It's probably that they all tried to erase the memory of the others pretenders to this title to strengthen their rule, and Theodoric came much later so it was probably more easy for him to do so.

 

[tsf4]

I cannot answer many lore questions, but I know for certain 1 because I made a placeholder dude to represent what best I know about the lore for China. Reality, it would be multiple parts of China and so I take it as this state being an Indohellene state perhaps on the borders of the map? Its kinda up to your imagination/roleplay. But the older devs assured me it was Indohellenic.

Sorry, I just don't have a grasp on the lore as much as the older devs. My advice is just to read the documentation I posted in the links, or go through the many pages of the thread and see what you find. Some of the questions you asked are meant to be in the air, the original dev wanted some things left uncertain, I think.

 

[Altharis]

Ah damn, I wanted to make my own thread. Oh well, this one already exists and fill my purpose well.

So! I remember when Lux Invicta first came out, when Shaytana was still…well, alive I guess. I remember he was found somewhere on a different forum, Total War maybe, but nothing happened after that. But I digress. The thing is, even though I wasn't exactly an active community member thanks to poor English back then, I played Lux Invicta since it was released. It was just so…ridiculous, with Romans and Galatians and Sarmato-Brythons and Indohellens and—

And I fell in love with the mod because of that. And I don't want it to die forgotten.

Unfortunately, I'm too stupid for modding to be of any help. The next best thing that my brain came with was starting a quest— basically a 'choose your own adventure' story, but with some game mechanics. And even if I hadn't had problems with coming up with said mechanics already, since LI is, well LI, there are matters of lore. A lot of lore.

Which is why I have questions. I haven't yet read the entire timeline—focusing on certain characters/nations like the aforementioned Sarmato-Brythons—aaaaand now that I think about it maybe I should have.

…

Oh well. Since most of what I'm asking isn't exactly restricted by game mechanics, there may be no definite answers to my questions. I'd have to make stuff up in such cases, so even wild speculation or suggestions would be appreciated. Worldbuilding if a fun activity, after all.

1) The various 'Romano-' cultures. How Roman are they really, as far as their languages and cultures are concerned? I'd presume they all use Vulgar Latin influenced by whatever people living there. Are they though? There exist various Romance languages already in LI (Catalan, Vlach, Italian etc.) so it seems peculiar that some realms' languages evolved to Romance while others, Romano-Britons, Romano-Goths, Gallo-Romans, kept to their Roman identity. Perhaps less the matter of language and more association to the culture and link to the Roman Empire?

Actually, could there be more? I remember of African Romance, and there is always Dalmatian.

2) …did Norse colonise America? I mean, there's Vinland so it sounds like a possibility.

3) Briton culture. I don't get it. On the one hand there's Druidic Ystrad Clud, definitely of Celtic ancestry, and on the other Pelagian Artorii of Dyfed. Both are Briton, have Celtic names, and call their kings Latin Rex. Ystrad Clud makes me thing they are supposed to be Cumbric, but then Dyfed…Yeah.

4) Sarmato-Brython is similar in this case, I guess. Though classified as Celtic in the mod, based on the lore it seems to me that they'd be closer to Romano-Briton as far as spoken language goes—Vulgar Latin with Brittonic substrate—albeit with additional Dacian and Sarmatian loanwords and heavy influence on culture. Speaking of, this is the main reason they are so close to my heart; as a Pole it reminds me too much of Polish Sarmatism to not love the idea lol.

By the way, what would make the most sense for their endonym? Something related to Brythonia ruled under descendants of Artorius, or something calling to their Sarmatian ties?

5) Christo-Zalmoxian. There are two realms with this religion, Sarmato-Brython Pendragon Brythonia and Galatian Bolgios Singidun. It seems like the religion is focused on Brythonia, what with Grail Keeper and all , despite Singidun's rulers worshipping Zalmoxis-Christos for much longer. My only explanation is that this religion is more of a catch-all term for Christianity-influenced Zalmoxism than one unified religion. Which brings my next question(s):

6) Why did Artorii adopt this Christian influence and where from? I may be blind, but I didn't find this in the timeline or on the forum. In the genealogy of Pendragons, though, it appears that Agravanus Pendragon, son of Riothamus III Artorius, was the first Christo-Zalmoxian in Brythonia. There are plenty Christian and Christian-influenced religions; each on would have slightly different on Brythonian variation of the faith compared to that in Singidun.

7) Oh right. What is Zalmoxianism in LI? Perhpas my google-fu if weak af, but I didn't really find my info.

8) Back to Artorii. Why are Sarmato-Brythons called Pendragons? I mean, I guess it makes sense considerin dragon imagery is important in Sarmatian culture anyways, but Agravanus was the first called such. Again don't remember seeing this in timeline, but again I may just missed this or something.

9) And now Lucius Artorius. Why is he the son of Abgar IX of Osroene? It's interesting, but comes kinda out of nowhere; there is nothing suggesting such connection. The best, and only, possible explanation I could get was Lucius of Britain is King of Brythons. Lucius Artorius Castus is King of Brythons/King Artur. Lucius of 'Britain' was supposedly a scribal error, and actually it was 'Lucius Aelius Megas Abgar IX ' of Britio/Britium/Edessa/Osroene. Lucius Artorius and Abgar IX are possible contemporaries, but they can't be the same person. Ergo, one is the son of the other.

Still farfetched, but as I'd said it's the only explanation I coudl come up with.

10) Why didn't Iberia produce Romance languages like France? Excluding Catalan, I guess.

11) How Frankish are Franks in LI? Or rather, would it make sense for them to retain more of their Germanic roots, or not? I guess it's related to other Romance questions.

12) Theudish-German-Bavarian distinction. Based on German state, I'd hazard a guess their language are closer to (Central) Franconian than to Standard German, maybe it's even Old Frankish. Influenced by Christian culture, which probably is the biggest different compared to Theudish, a catch-all term for barbarian tribe in Germania from what I've seen. Bavarians on the other hand are High Germanics who aren't Germanic pagans. Or so it appears to me.

13) Rhomaion-Hellenistic distinction. The first one is basically Byzantine from what I guessed, while the second the 'pure' Greek of Alexandros. Definitely different culturally, but what about language?

14) Dacians. I remember seeing they were highly Hellenised and/or Latinised as far as culture goes. Would they be using Greek or Latin alphabet? By the way, I've read theories that Dacians and Thracians were Baltics, based on toponyms. It's bizarre and hilarious, which makes it fit extremely well in LI lol.

15) How different are Varangians compared to other Scandinavians? Do they use runes or something different for writing, can other Scandinavian understand them or it diverged enough that it's not a possibility etc. Enough time with Slavic and Ugro-Finnic influence could make it different enough.

16) Perian Angra Mainyu worshipper in West Africa islands. I distinctly remember reading about them when they were added but I just can't remember the lore behind them.

17) Also Romans in Maledives and Canarias. That I don't remember lol.

18) Was there anything about Copts in LI?

19) Jewish South India.

20) The nature of Indohellenic. Is it really acurate to call them 'Indo'? I'd imagine they have much more Iranian influence, with Gandharan being the Indic one. Which begs the question, how much of said influence? Obviously Greek is still dominant, but would it possibly evolve into something akin to various Romance languages?

I'm pretty sure I wanted to ask more but…I have already spent over two hours writing this and I don't remember anything more. Damn. So yeah, I hope someone would shed some light or at least give some suggestions. After all the Invincible Light still lives on, right?

 

[Figus]

I'm gonna comment because I've done minor research myself into the lore (the madagascar mod being one of those fruits). There is a canon that Shaytana certainly has built in their mind, but they never entirely unveiled it to the public, and the vast majority of lore is confined to the Katabasis/timeline.


I have a few suggestions on doing your own research for the lore.

1. If you google something in quotes (it should be something non-specific like "south india" and add lux invicta outside of the quotes, there's a good chance that something relevant will be pulled up. For example, when I googled "viethellenic" lux invicta, I found a github repository that gave a small description of the intentions over who they were supposed to be (in this case, descendants of Epander).

2. Try to put yourself in the mind of Shaytana. Come up with a list of ideas for how something happened and then eliminate what seems the least likely.

3. Sadly, some things (specifically the history of the east, which seems to be the only lux invicta thing that mentions that the romans set up a trade colony in the maldives) is only available through scribd right now.

EDIT: I decided to upload the timeline of the east to google docs:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UFSbv4ahDvJNUbqTNyEX72wJxqVOR8wD/view?usp=sharing
It seems to be partially made up of stuff in the original katabasis plus some edits from afterwards.

 

[tsf4]

@Altharis , WOW. lol. that was my first reaction

So, I, like you, have been around although I came around right after Shaytana left and the first team was still developing a ton.

From what I gather, I cannot answer all of your questions, but I can give my opinion on some of the topics and hopefully this helps:

In LI lore, there were lots of cases of nations/factions bringing merc groups/"people groups" as mercs to help them fight in their wars. This is how for instance you get the Sarmatians fighting in Britain. Some of these groups of people settled down where they helped fight, and this is why one realm can be Romanesque moreso than a neighboring realm. Its kind of like mashed potatoes and gravy, and the timeline is just the "blender" of the elements of culture and religion and structure (roman, barbarian, eastern). So you get all of those blended together, and that describes what we have in 1066 in the mod. Sure, Shaytana (as the operator of the blender) had more of an idea "how, when, where, why" but was gone before we could extract every bit of lore from him. He might of even intended it to be left to the player's devices, too - thats always a possibility. So, when it comes to the nitty gritty of the realms, why one realm developed a romance language vs the other realm keeping their romano-"x" cultural identity, is just a product of the blender.

I hope this helps. In a perfect world we'd have a much more complete timeline and lore, but hey, its what it is. I imagine almost anything can be imagined in the LI world, so you just have to think, hmm, if this nation is romano-dacian but yet orthodox religion, it could be that 1) romans conquered and merged with the dacian people, 2) dacians helped a roman leader conquer this area, and they settled there afterwards, 3) etc, etc. Endless possibilities really, which is why I have always enjoyed LI.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

This mod is the brainchild of many who worked on it, so it's bgound to have a bit of discord in its realities. It's too bonkers, and there's too much alt history in it to keep track of it all, in my opinion. It also follows a strict Rule of Cool when it comes to "what if X but Y" scenarios. What if Romans in Spain, but also Visigoths, but also Muslims, but also Lusitanians...?

It's a beautiful mess, and I love it for it, but every person who has come forth has brought something of his own. Every single famous person had children whose children lived on and kept lands up to the starting date, and every single creed or faith survived in this fractured world. It's all a huge historical inside joke. If you know your history, you'll be meeting old friends everywhere, that's what makes this mod great. But yeah, there's incongrences here and there.

For example, I did a lot of the family trees of Spain and southern France, as well as the title assignment, and so the history of the dynasties and the relationship between characters. At that time I was doing research on legends and Medieval "mythology" in the area, and I linked many characters to fantastic or pseudohistoric counterparts. Eudes of Aquitaine being Otgier the Dane as well as Auger of Catalanum was sort of an inside joke. Having Roland and other Paladins of France in the game, making the famous Banu Qassi (Roman family turned Visigoths turned Muslim) into the Cassian Kings of (Navarre? I can't remember), many were throwaways and references to famous legends, little-known links some historians made in the past and recognitions of well known realities historians debate sometimes. Some of these things may conflict with what other contributors laid down further down the line.

As for questions, I'll try to answer what I remember.

1) The various 'Romano-' cultures. How Roman are they really, as far as their languages and cultures are concerned? I'd presume they all use Vulgar Latin influenced by whatever people living there. Are they though? There exist various Romance languages already in LI (Catalan, Vlach, Italian etc.) so it seems peculiar that some realms' languages evolved to Romance while others, Romano-Britons, Romano-Goths, Gallo-Romans, kept to their Roman identity. Perhaps less the matter of language and more association to the culture and link to the Roman Empire?

The answer can vary depending on who you ask, but to me, several of the existing languages are stand-ins for their supposed counterparts.

I wanted to create a version of Latin who was "Medieval" enough but at the same time was not Latin. Too much work... so Latin still exists as a stand-in for less corrupted forms of whatever Latin turned into later on. It makes little sense that the Count of Barcelona speaks Catalan but the Comes of Ilerda speaks Latin, so think of it as a more Latinised Romance language and a less refined variety.

I think that a linguistic-cultural reform of the mod would be in order, but to be honest, my modding days are over. Back when I was in college I had a lot of free time, but now I... dont.

3) Briton culture. I don't get it. On the one hand there's Druidic Ystrad Clud, definitely of Celtic ancestry, and on the other Pelagian Artorii of Dyfed. Both are Briton, have Celtic names, and call their kings Latin Rex. Ystrad Clud makes me thing they are supposed to be Cumbric, but then Dyfed…Yeah.

Think of it as the ones who christianised and the ones who didn't. The Celtic for "ruler" is Rix, not so far away from the Latin Rex.

4) Sarmato-Brython is similar in this case, I guess. Though classified as Celtic in the mod, based on the lore it seems to me that they'd be closer to Romano-Briton as far as spoken language goes—Vulgar Latin with Brittonic substrate—albeit with additional Dacian and Sarmatian loanwords and heavy influence on culture. Speaking of, this is the main reason they are so close to my heart; as a Pole it reminds me too much of Polish Sarmatism to not love the idea lol.

It's easy to imagine that living in Britain would have made the Sarmatians too close to Briton or Celtic culture to have preserved language in any meaningful way. Think of the Visigoths in Spain; they were so Romanised that historians have wondered for some thirty years now if the armies of Alaric were really Germanic at all. Maybe just a collection of Germanic tribes, Roman troops form his days of command as Magister Militum per Illyria, and other rejects and mercenaries attracted by charisma or promise.

By the way, what would make the most sense for their endonym? Something related to Brythonia ruled under descendants of Artorius, or something calling to their Sarmatian ties?

Your guess is as good as mine. On one hand, the Franks retained their endonym. On the other, the Visigoths lost it, being usually called (and calling themselves) Hispani. Latest articles and books defend that already in the 7th Century, "Visigoth" was a name that only the nobility had, in a way the nobles of the realm were "Visigoths", while their subjects were just "Hispani", regardless of their actual blood or culture.

5) Christo-Zalmoxian. There are two realms with this religion, Sarmato-Brython Pendragon Brythonia and Galatian Bolgios Singidun. It seems like the religion is focused on Brythonia, what with Grail Keeper and all , despite Singidun's rulers worshipping Zalmoxis-Christos for much longer. My only explanation is that this religion is more of a catch-all term for Christianity-influenced Zalmoxism than one unified religion. Which brings my next question(s):

6) Why did Artorii adopt this Christian influence and where from? I may be blind, but I didn't find this in the timeline or on the forum. In the genealogy of Pendragons, though, it appears that Agravanus Pendragon, son of Riothamus III Artorius, was the first Christo-Zalmoxian in Brythonia. There are plenty Christian and Christian-influenced religions; each on would have slightly different on Brythonian variation of the faith compared to that in Singidun.[/QUOTE]

7) Oh right. What is Zalmoxianism in LI? Perhpas my google-fu if weak af, but I didn't really find my info.[/QUOTE]

Zalmoxis was a mysterious god of the Dacians, reported as having been a living man, a healer and a philosopher, once (I think it comes from Jordanes' Getica. Most of Jordanes' reports on the Goths are pure fiction). Zalmoxis has been linked to Christ and other Christ-like figures in many works of pseudohistory, which is probably why Shaytana gave it a lot of protagonism. Its cult is also quite mysterious, in a literal sense; probably a secretive cult where the secrets of the divinity were given gradually to the initiates as they progressed inside the circles. Like the Eleusian Mysteries, the Orphic rituals or the Mithraic cult.

The Sarmatian connection between Zalmoxis and King Arthur is clear. Maybe it needs a bit of work, though, I honestly never played in that area enough to notice anything out of order. Do you have a theory of your own?

9) And now Lucius Artorius. Why is he the son of Abgar IX of Osroene? It's interesting, but comes kinda out of nowhere; there is nothing suggesting such connection. The best, and only, possible explanation I could get was Lucius of Britain is King of Brythons. Lucius Artorius Castus is King of Brythons/King Artur. Lucius of 'Britain' was supposedly a scribal error, and actually it was 'Lucius Aelius Megas Abgar IX ' of Britio/Britium/Edessa/Osroene. Lucius Artorius and Abgar IX are possible contemporaries, but they can't be the same person. Ergo, one is the son of the other.

Probably another inside joke referencing this very mistake. Maybe it merits a correction so that we can keep the reference in a way that makes sense and doesn't raise so many eyebrows.

10) Why didn't Iberia produce Romance languages like France? Excluding Catalan, I guess.

As I said, it did. Some of the Visigoths don't actually use Visigothic Germanic culture but Occital culture. But, again, this might need some tweaks.

13) Rhomaion-Hellenistic distinction. The first one is basically Byzantine from what I guessed, while the second the 'pure' Greek of Alexandros. Definitely different culturally, but what about language?

If it isn't just Greek, it's very close. Probably the Hellenistic Greeks speak a more Attic variant, while the Rhomaion speak a later variety. Think about the Demetrios-Dimitrios difference.

14) Dacians. I remember seeing they were highly Hellenised and/or Latinised as far as culture goes. Would they be using Greek or Latin alphabet? By the way, I've read theories that Dacians and Thracians were Baltics, based on toponyms. It's bizarre and hilarious, which makes it fit extremely well in LI lol.

Man, I think you've got the right spirit to enjoy Lux Invicta to the fullest extent. Also, please contribute with ideas, these kind of far-fetched theories are what gives this mod its very soul.

15) How different are Varangians compared to other Scandinavians? Do they use runes or something different for writing, can other Scandinavian understand them or it diverged enough that it's not a possibility etc. Enough time with Slavic and Ugro-Finnic influence could make it different enough.

Don't know, but to my own understanding, any Scandiavians settling along the Greek trade routes is bound to hellenise. Runes were never used to write "mundane" matters, they were an eminently ritual script. Custom dictated that when you wanted to write on parchment, you used Roman letters, and when on stone or wood or bone, you used runes. Jackson Crawford, a doctor of Norse literature, has several YouTube videos explaining the matter.

I once had a game where I led Harald Hardrada (I think it was a custom character?) to become Emperor in Constantinople, he hellenised and he became Basileus Araldos Dinokratis (Deinokrates being Greek for "fearsome ruler"). Fun game.


I'm pretty sure I wanted to ask more but…I have already spent over two hours writing this and I don't remember anything more. Damn. So yeah, I hope someone would shed some light or at least give some suggestions. After all the Invincible Light still lives on, right?[/QUOTE]

It lives on, in you and me and all of us.

 

[Altharis]

The answer can vary depending on who you ask, but to me, several of the existing languages are stand-ins for their supposed counterparts.

I wanted to create a version of Latin who was "Medieval" enough but at the same time was not Latin. Too much work... so Latin still exists as a stand-in for less corrupted forms of whatever Latin turned into later on. It makes little sense that the Count of Barcelona speaks Catalan but the Comes of Ilerda speaks Latin, so think of it as a more Latinised Romance language and a less refined variety.

I think that a linguistic-cultural reform of the mod would be in order, but to be honest, my modding days are over. Back when I was in college I had a lot of free time, but now I... dont.

Ah, that seems about right. A real shame that CK2 can't really show any such nuances with its culture system. Well, here's hoping that CK3 would be better at that, heh.

Think of it as the ones who christianised and the ones who didn't. The Celtic for "ruler" is Rix, not so far away from the Latin Rex.

Sorry, it seems I wasn't clear. My problem with 'Briton' culture is that I don't understand why those two (or three apparently, since I forgot about Rheged) have the same culture when they don't really appear to be connected in any way. As I'd mentioned before, Ystrad Clud and Rheged remind me of Cumbric, but then Dyfed also is Briton and not Welsh despite being, well, in southern Wales. It makes me think that there should be a reason for that, something that would make Dyfedians more akin to Britons in Cumbria than their northern, welsh neighbours. Culture? They are Christianised so the probability seems low, more so with Dyfed being ruled under 'naturalised' Artorii. Language? Perhaps, but then why wouldn't it change into Welsh?

I don't understand the thought process behind this decision and it irritates me lol.

It's easy to imagine that living in Britain would have made the Sarmatians too close to Briton or Celtic culture to have preserved language in any meaningful way. Think of the Visigoths in Spain; they were so Romanised that historians have wondered for some thirty years now if the armies of Alaric were really Germanic at all. Maybe just a collection of Germanic tribes, Roman troops form his days of command as Magister Militum per Illyria, and other rejects and mercenaries attracted by charisma or promise.

Perhaps, it would make sense for other Brythons to accept Artorii if they were closer culturally and linguistically to Sarmato-Brythons. Nevertheless, the Sarmatian and Dacian colonisation was organised by Roman Emperor (Alexander III I think), and they were still Roman citizens—officialy at least and with some exceptions at times from what I've read. Quite frankly, Brythonia of that time sounds like one big clusterfuck of various ethnicities and languages; I'd imagine Latin would become a lingua franca (latina?) because of both the necessity to govern all those people somehow and to civilise the barbarian brythons. Since those were mostly military colonies, at least some of the soldiers should already know the language. Probably, I have to admit I'm not too well versed in how Roman auxilla worked.

Hence why I compared to Romano-Brython—which in my mind is essentially Old Brithenig—though with a big Sarmatian influence on the culture and perhaps some Daco-Sarmatian loanwords related to military or something like that.

Zalmoxis was a mysterious god of the Dacians, reported as having been a living man, a healer and a philosopher, once (I think it comes from Jordanes' Getica. Most of Jordanes' reports on the Goths are pure fiction). Zalmoxis has been linked to Christ and other Christ-like figures in many works of pseudohistory, which is probably why Shaytana gave it a lot of protagonism. Its cult is also quite mysterious, in a literal sense; probably a secretive cult where the secrets of the divinity were given gradually to the initiates as they progressed inside the circles. Like the Eleusian Mysteries, the Orphic rituals or the Mithraic cult.

The Sarmatian connection between Zalmoxis and King Arthur is clear. Maybe it needs a bit of work, though, I honestly never played in that area enough to notice anything out of order. Do you have a theory of your own?

For the Christian influence? Hmm…

Because of the religious head's title, the Grail Keeper, I first looked into Northumbra's Hibernicism since Grail does have analogues in Celtic myths as well. The relations between the two realms were quite friendly from what I've read so it would seem probable. The second one, and now that I think about probably more likely one as well, would be the Pelagian Offanings of Mercia. Offa did marry Artorian princess in 757, 10 years after Agravanus' death according to game files, which would fit quite nicely. Plus it seems like something that Sarmatians may like about the faith, said focus on free will and freedom of choosing, having nomadic roots. Or perhpas not.

Honestly, it may be because I just like how Pelagianism sounds; with Zoroastrianism being my main focus, I can't help but notice some paralels between the two as far as Free Will is concerned.

If it isn't just Greek, it's very close. Probably the Hellenistic Greeks speak a more Attic variant, while the Rhomaion speak a later variety. Think about the Demetrios-Dimitrios difference.

Aye, that's what I thought. Although, I'd recently learned that to this day exist a language descended (or at least highly influenced by) by Doric in the form of Tsakonian. Doric Spartans? Sounds like fun lol.

Man, I think you've got the right spirit to enjoy Lux Invicta to the fullest extent. Also, please contribute with ideas, these kind of far-fetched theories are what gives this mod its very soul.

…have you ever heard about Lechitic Empire? Not an actual suggestion, but it's too hilarious in how outrageous it is to not mention. Actual suggestion would probably come when it's not too late in my timezone to think lol.