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grabah said:
I think so, KoP and me made some connection test with him
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guess time to speak my mind.
I would like some minimal edits in effort restoring, defensing my new nation France.
1000 Ducats
2 DPs
2 Deflation
that is all. Hope I can have my wish. It's only for the people of France. France also likes to express friendship, colaboration among its great neighbors.
For the current situation after reading lots and lots as well as speaking to some kings, France wishes all nations involved can come to a peace deal to end this long exausting war. France does not wish to take any side just yet at the moment. Although, policy may change as fit.
I would like some minimal edits in effort restoring, defensing my new nation France.
1000 Ducats
2 DPs
2 Deflation
that is all. Hope I can have my wish. It's only for the people of France. France also likes to express friendship, colaboration among its great neighbors.
For the current situation after reading lots and lots as well as speaking to some kings, France wishes all nations involved can come to a peace deal to end this long exausting war. France does not wish to take any side just yet at the moment. Although, policy may change as fit.
NightSream said:
Looking at the stats of last game, I strongly contest this proposal. France has the highest tax income and highest MP. France has the best leader file in the game as well. Jose was gone for most of last session, but that certainly does not mean you should get 1000k and 2 DP. France was probably 12 years without a human player.
not to mention fnuco constantly adding few gallys everytime he editsnobodyreal said:
nobodyreal said:
1000d and 1 DP slider look fine to me. But the deflation looks a bit too exagerated. Unless the current player inflationed like crazy. 7% inflation looks manageable, but i would never mint that much, except in rare cases, and even so pretty doubtful with his poor economy. If i was to play, i would ask more deflation (maybe 5%), even if i had to loose the 3 manus france has. But that is just my personal opinion. You cant really blame the new player for the old player decisions.
The leader file does not have anything to do with these edits, tbh. The time France lost, has. 12 years are pretty much at this stage of time game. It means a lot of trade income. And if France was ghosted 12 years, they didnt trade anything, and even lost a lot of merchants (and thus income) due to merchants getting competed out.
grabah said:not to mention fnuco constantly adding few gallys everytime he edits
I hope you just kidding Grabah.
nobodyreal said:
1000k
1 DP
That is all NS can get since he can argue that HAB got even bigger edit. This is only fair. No more, no less.
NightSream said:
Some of you will call my judgement on this biased, and it may indeed be so, but I also contest this request. France remains very strong, even with Jose's mismanagement and cowardly abandonment of France in the last session. Even without these generous edits, France is a very powerful neighbor.
I dare say that this edit is a set up for France to renew the hostilities that other nations have worked hard to resolve. I mean no insult on this point. Other players may find this proposition fair and just. I find it dangerous, given the precarious state of diplomacy in Europe.
I would, however, be more likely to support this if France were forced to sign a NAP with all her neighbors for a number of years to be determined by vote of all currently in this campaign. If this proposition is deemed unfair and unjust, and everyone else supports the edits in favor of France without condition then so will I. If the latter is the case, no other contest will be put up on my part and nothing else will be said of it.
NC
and about the edits: France deserves some compensation, for both the fact that it was AIed a number of years AND that Jose didn't bother to explore much, from what NS told me. Missing out on exploring this early is a major no-no for France, and i think NS is right in asking for edits. As to the extent of these edits, i say 1k ducats and 1 DP, as proposed by KoP, is justified.
just my $0.02
just my $0.02
_King_of_Pain_ said:
Austria got a bigger edit because basically Austria was AI'd the entire game, and certainly the first and most important sessions. 3 sessions of AI! Now France was AI'd a half of session, and we give France the same amount of ducats as I recieved??
im against any edits.
not that i got anything against france, just we agreed to keep edits to the minimum.
if we now give edits for being 10years ai then edit request will start comming from all sides.
if we get new player willing to take portugal it would be diferent thing, but giving edits for france because it's former player didn't made it even stronger, doesnt have any base imho.
true, last war france had with austria was finished on the edge of regularity.
but im quite confident france can turn the tide in it's favor.
just look at how petrified england is :rofl:
not that i got anything against france, just we agreed to keep edits to the minimum.
if we now give edits for being 10years ai then edit request will start comming from all sides.
if we get new player willing to take portugal it would be diferent thing, but giving edits for france because it's former player didn't made it even stronger, doesnt have any base imho.
true, last war france had with austria was finished on the edge of regularity.
but im quite confident france can turn the tide in it's favor.
just look at how petrified england is :rofl:
grabah said:
Hey, its my first MP campaign. I reserve the right to wet myself from time to time.
I think I've lost this when I was crashed, didn't notice it till I took a look to the events file.
#The Great Naval Reform / Imperial Halic Shipyard. #
event = {
id = 3367
trigger = {
owned = { province = 357 } #Thrace
}
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME3367"
desc = "EVENTHIST3367"
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1515 }
offset = 700
action_a ={ # Build the Imperial Halic Shipyard.
name = "ACTIONNAME3367A"
command = { type = treasury value = -600 }
command = { type = naval value = 1000 }
command = { type = galleys which = -1 value = 20 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 357 value = shipyard }
command = { type = vp value = 25 }
}
action_b ={ # Build a smaller shipyard.
name = "ACTIONNAME3367B"
command = { type = treasury value = -300 }
command = { type = naval value = 500 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 357 value = shipyard }
}
action_c ={ # Reform the army instead
name = "ACTIONNAME3367C"
command = { type = land value = 500 }
}
}
Fnuco, could you edit option b? or just the shipyard. I'm sure the rest won't object considering this was a technical problem since I attended to all my sessions.
#The Great Naval Reform / Imperial Halic Shipyard. #
event = {
id = 3367
trigger = {
owned = { province = 357 } #Thrace
}
random = no
country = TUR
name = "EVENTNAME3367"
desc = "EVENTHIST3367"
style = 2
date = { day = 1 month = june year = 1515 }
offset = 700
action_a ={ # Build the Imperial Halic Shipyard.
name = "ACTIONNAME3367A"
command = { type = treasury value = -600 }
command = { type = naval value = 1000 }
command = { type = galleys which = -1 value = 20 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 357 value = shipyard }
command = { type = vp value = 25 }
}
action_b ={ # Build a smaller shipyard.
name = "ACTIONNAME3367B"
command = { type = treasury value = -300 }
command = { type = naval value = 500 }
command = { type = gainbuilding which = 357 value = shipyard }
}
action_c ={ # Reform the army instead
name = "ACTIONNAME3367C"
command = { type = land value = 500 }
}
}
Fnuco, could you edit option b? or just the shipyard. I'm sure the rest won't object considering this was a technical problem since I attended to all my sessions.
If i am the editor, i need the GM to tell me the complete list of things to edit then.
So far:
OE's event.
France's request?? (what has been decided here?)
So far:
OE's event.
France's request?? (what has been decided here?)
Add these two things :
Cancel out one of the events for Sweden. Sweden got a double event that raised revolt risk +10. You will have to ask Grabah for the event code on this.
In my case, +2 CENT and +2 Innovation are needed, since for some reason, my DP settings went -2 for both of these. I wasn't going to say anything, but if we are doing edits, I request that we add those dp settings. This is not fabricated, I remember having 8 Cent and I think 6 Innovation, and then we rehosted and it was 6 and 4. We were in the middle of the war of course, so I figured I would let it go until later, and then when Sweden got double events, I figured I wouldn't complain. If we are going to do edits, I suggest adding
btw, was I right in saying that events are forgotten when not using hosts save? If so, I would suggest that we all just grit our teeth and play from the hosts save, with minimum amount of edits of course. For Uls, that's an important event and it's good he realized that, but I'm curious as to the reason WHY that event was skipped.
Cancel out one of the events for Sweden. Sweden got a double event that raised revolt risk +10. You will have to ask Grabah for the event code on this.
In my case, +2 CENT and +2 Innovation are needed, since for some reason, my DP settings went -2 for both of these. I wasn't going to say anything, but if we are doing edits, I request that we add those dp settings. This is not fabricated, I remember having 8 Cent and I think 6 Innovation, and then we rehosted and it was 6 and 4. We were in the middle of the war of course, so I figured I would let it go until later, and then when Sweden got double events, I figured I wouldn't complain. If we are going to do edits, I suggest adding
btw, was I right in saying that events are forgotten when not using hosts save? If so, I would suggest that we all just grit our teeth and play from the hosts save, with minimum amount of edits of course. For Uls, that's an important event and it's good he realized that, but I'm curious as to the reason WHY that event was skipped.