Yeah i know...martmol said:troy always mess up games, you know thatgood way or bad way
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under these conditions ?!Aleksidze said:
yeah real veteran can't possibly play without every single detail being 'corrected'. his country would be in ruins after just couple of sessions.
noobs on the other hand can because they don't know what are they missing.
no edits is inhuman im telling you INHUMAN!!
real pro doesn't even play SP without edits.
and when you reach certain stage where you game play is godlike, then you simply must make game little bit more challenging by editing in all cultures as your state cultures.
only possible solution for this horrible, horrible campaign would be editing in 1k ducats for every player country, (to hell with all, let's edit in some even for ai!) so we can feel like a real players, and not like bunch of ignorant noobs.
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martmol said:troy always mess up games, you know that
You like to come to this thread to criticise me in particular. Do I even know you? You dont have anything better to do? lol so sad
grabah said:under these conditions ?!
yeah real veteran can't possibly play without every single detail being 'corrected'. his country would be in ruins after just couple of sessions.
noobs on the other hand can because they don't know what are they missing.
no edits is inhuman im telling you INHUMAN!!
real pro doesn't even play SP without edits.
and when you reach certain stage where you game play is godlike, then you simply must make game little bit more challenging by editing in all cultures as your state cultures,
Good point Grabah. These genius keep calling themselves pros, but cant even play the game as the way it is. They start to whine, cry, complain when an event did not fire. Who cares, it happens. Live, play with it. Keep it real, no one can change the history. lol. Yeh, let's make the game more challenging by editting this and that ( culture claiming, event, blah blah).
Same with Alek the great! He is a general! wow, but crying when he was put in HAB. He would not play it without edits. Edit for what? for a super, unrealistic HAB? As the result, he ran away from this game. Hey, now he is back, talking trash about this game. thx a lot. we dont need it. Go play SP with as many edits as you want only if real life is as easy. What a Joke :rofl:
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grabah said:
My real name is Troy. Nobody, Dupred know that. I still dont know why the Marmol guy keep attacking me. I dont know if this is the way it is on EU II community. Admins please explain. I dont think this is right for anyone to criticise other personally.
Troy is a guy that got banned/exiled (?) some time ago for cheating (troypc100 iirc). Editing himself money, expanding the lifespan of his explorers, you know, that kind of stuff.
And the General title doesn't make me a uberPro you piece of n00b, the title gets promoted according your post count. You could call me a spamer.
And the General title doesn't make me a uberPro you piece of n00b, the title gets promoted according your post count. You could call me a spamer.
Wow, i must say this thread is getting interesting...
Anyway, for those that do not know, Troy played a couple games in the past. Games which i was in. One of them, as England. His England got strong as hell. He built like 20 refineries by 1500 (with almost no inflation), and had high tech (infra 5, trade 5 or so). He had like 5 merchants in all COTs, even COTs he didnt know of! Editing so many stuff for himself, he made it clear that he was cheating by editing the save.
In another game, (QFC1), as Portugal, he edited himself colonies, and expanded the lifetime of historical leaders. Portugal still had conquistadors from 1500 by 1650! He edited himself heavy amount of cash, etc. Again, he was caugh cheating.
After having being caught by the comunity, all these games he played in, ended (he was the GM in all of them except for QFC1). And since no one wanted to play with a cheater, he resigned from EU2. Then someone else started spamming every game thread, asking to be allowed to play. That someone else registered in the forums one day after Troy resigned, and had only 1 post. I and a couple of others thought that this new player, was Troy himself. I PMed Castellon about the matter, he IP checked em, and both Troy and the other dude (which was Troy in the end) got banned, because they shared the same IP (and were thus the same person). Having more then one acount is, against the rules. As is re-registering with other nicks in order to avoid bans. I believe that alone would make Troy (KOP) get banned right away. After all, he himself admited being Troy.
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Look Grabah, with all respect, you arent understanding anything that has been said so far. No one is asking 1k ducats to be edited into his treasury. Editing stuff like that, out of thin air, isnt necessary or fair to everyone else. Unless someone got ghosted, AIed, or some special case that cannot be foreseen hapened. Uls, for example, asked an event that did not fire to be forced fire, and he was right to do so. It is a natural event that would have fired no matter what, unless Thrace wasnt owned by OE. Imagine that we were by 1528 and Austria didnt inherit Bohemia via event. Or that the event where Castile was going to become Spain didnt fire (i have seen this one not firing, and this IS a major problem - it means no historical leaders after 1480!). Do you think it would be fair to the player to pay for a multiplayer known bug? In SP, these events always fire if the conditions are met. Thus, no edits are required. But SP is not MP.
Before saying such words, put yourself in the position of Uls. Imagine if you are playing Castile. Imagine that the event that turns you into Spain, did not fire (even if all conditions were met). Would you like to receive no historical conquistador/explorer and thus forbiding you to conquer the Aztecs/Incas/etc? Would you like to receive no historical leaders like the kickassing Alba or Farnense?
Of course, the event described above is not what hapened to Uls, but it is quite similar. As it is now, the only reason i can see that you guys do not agree with Uls, is because you are his enemies. Spain for example would be terribly screwed if the OE would have had a shipyard enabling him to outbuild Spain. And since the GM is Spain, that only backs up the theory even more...
Anyway, for those that do not know, Troy played a couple games in the past. Games which i was in. One of them, as England. His England got strong as hell. He built like 20 refineries by 1500 (with almost no inflation), and had high tech (infra 5, trade 5 or so). He had like 5 merchants in all COTs, even COTs he didnt know of! Editing so many stuff for himself, he made it clear that he was cheating by editing the save.
In another game, (QFC1), as Portugal, he edited himself colonies, and expanded the lifetime of historical leaders. Portugal still had conquistadors from 1500 by 1650! He edited himself heavy amount of cash, etc. Again, he was caugh cheating.
After having being caught by the comunity, all these games he played in, ended (he was the GM in all of them except for QFC1). And since no one wanted to play with a cheater, he resigned from EU2. Then someone else started spamming every game thread, asking to be allowed to play. That someone else registered in the forums one day after Troy resigned, and had only 1 post. I and a couple of others thought that this new player, was Troy himself. I PMed Castellon about the matter, he IP checked em, and both Troy and the other dude (which was Troy in the end) got banned, because they shared the same IP (and were thus the same person). Having more then one acount is, against the rules. As is re-registering with other nicks in order to avoid bans. I believe that alone would make Troy (KOP) get banned right away. After all, he himself admited being Troy.
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Look Grabah, with all respect, you arent understanding anything that has been said so far. No one is asking 1k ducats to be edited into his treasury. Editing stuff like that, out of thin air, isnt necessary or fair to everyone else. Unless someone got ghosted, AIed, or some special case that cannot be foreseen hapened. Uls, for example, asked an event that did not fire to be forced fire, and he was right to do so. It is a natural event that would have fired no matter what, unless Thrace wasnt owned by OE. Imagine that we were by 1528 and Austria didnt inherit Bohemia via event. Or that the event where Castile was going to become Spain didnt fire (i have seen this one not firing, and this IS a major problem - it means no historical leaders after 1480!). Do you think it would be fair to the player to pay for a multiplayer known bug? In SP, these events always fire if the conditions are met. Thus, no edits are required. But SP is not MP.
Before saying such words, put yourself in the position of Uls. Imagine if you are playing Castile. Imagine that the event that turns you into Spain, did not fire (even if all conditions were met). Would you like to receive no historical conquistador/explorer and thus forbiding you to conquer the Aztecs/Incas/etc? Would you like to receive no historical leaders like the kickassing Alba or Farnense?
Of course, the event described above is not what hapened to Uls, but it is quite similar. As it is now, the only reason i can see that you guys do not agree with Uls, is because you are his enemies. Spain for example would be terribly screwed if the OE would have had a shipyard enabling him to outbuild Spain. And since the GM is Spain, that only backs up the theory even more...
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I can careless that you accuse me of anyone just because I have the same name. I will ask Web Admin to clarify this situation. Any accusation on anyone is wrong and lame. My name, Troy, given by my parents. I am proud of it. For the same name, i am called cheater? If so, I should have said my name is David or something. If you are too slow to get this common sense, please stop your fault accusation. I will have to ask Web Admin to settle this. I wont waste my time with this non sense accusation.
For some of you in this game, hope you can see that I have done nothing wrong. If you feel uneasy b/c of these couple non sense dudes accusation of me, someone can host. I never intended to host anyway in first place.
For some of you in this game, hope you can see that I have done nothing wrong. If you feel uneasy b/c of these couple non sense dudes accusation of me, someone can host. I never intended to host anyway in first place.
And by the way, Ego, Alek, Marmol should go on mind your own business. I have nothing personal against you. Simply b/c I barely know you. Stop coming to this thread and telling us what must and not do in our game unless you are noisy and sure have lot of free time on your hand. :rofl:
BurningEGO said:
Well, this is what I tried to explain and defend. KoP exploited this and I'm quite mad at him for this.
I played last session because I appreciate the efforts of the rest of you, that is, there was no sub, and I didn't want to kill your fun. But I want to state right here right now publicly that I want KoP out of the game, I don't even want compensations for the event I've lost, I just want KoP's attitude out of any game or any campaign. This is not anything about who's winning the war or not, that's not important for me, sometimes one wins, sometimes one loses, and I take it quite natural that way.
So, choose who leave, because I won't play having something personal with anyone, it's inappropriate. Hope you understand.
Uls.
Aleksidze said:Troy is a guy that got banned/exiled (?) some time ago for cheating (troypc100 iirc). Editing himself money, expanding the lifespan of his explorers, you know, that kind of stuff.
And the General title doesn't make me a uberPro you piece of n00b, the title gets promoted according your post count. You could call me a spamer.
Oh my god Gaia! now i understand why Spain explored that much, got a lot of money, technology, etc. I thought he was really good player... because my 1550 Spain never reached that far in singles! and i consider myself a good player... It's got governors people, when having 15% inflation, that is, I'd have to hypertech without minting to reach that far... NOW I understand why he wanted to host games so much... shame on you!
Now this game needs editing for sure, Spain should be edited hardly, the war should end in a WP and reorganize the whole game! KoP, troy or whatever, I'd punch you in the middle of the face if i could! get out!
BurningEGO said:
I had to build my own shipyard last session because I knew I'd not be given that event unless KoP were banned from this game or as GM
Spain was building more sails than myself and It would have meant spanish dominance on the mediterranean sea. I tried to tell them the disadvantages, but they agreed with KoP and decided to punish me because I was playing well (and I was their enemy of course)... That shipyard and lots of naval efforts costed me a CRT that Spain won (by editting I assume...)This is sad
BurningEGO said:
by the way, I killed Farnese quite easily in Hungary, that made me ask to myself "this guy is completely useless in the battle field, how can he be that good in economics?" he even has a CRT above! die Farnense die
btw, I have some saved files to make some comparisons if you want, gentlemen. he's banned now anyway, a thing that makes me very happy, sorry If I'm honest
oFnuco, could you open a new thread?, I vote you as our new GM. You proved yourself to know a lot about GMing. I remind you all that we have to discuss if we're playing this sunday too. I can play.
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Ulschmidt said:by the way, I killed Farnese quite easily in Hungary, that made me ask to myself "this guy is completely useless in the battle field, how can he be that good in economics?" he even has a CRT above! die Farnense die
btw, I have some saved files to make some comparisons if you want, gentlemen. he's banned now anyway, a thing that makes me very happy, sorry If I'm honest
Fnuco, could you open a new thread?, I vote you as our new GM. You proved yourself to know a lot about GMing. I remind you all that we have to discuss if we're playing this sunday too. I can play.
So I take it we are starting a new game, or are we just finding a sub for Spain?
btw, not sure what happened. Was it proved that Troy was banned? I'm not sure, why was he banned, what proof, etc. Someone please give me the lowdown.
Ulschmidt said:
I agree in appointing Fnuco as GM.
I'll try to play tomorrow but I'm not sure. It could be I'll arrive a little late. This case you can start without me and take a look on ICQ later to rehost when I'll arrive (as you did two weeks ago).
nobodyreal said:So I take it we are starting a new game, or are we just finding a sub for Spain?
btw, not sure what happened. Was it proved that Troy was banned? I'm not sure, why was he banned, what proof, etc. Someone please give me the lowdown.
there's no evidence against Spain, YET.
but there's a precedent. It seems KoP used another user name in the forums by using the IP test. That means he was another person in the forums, and that's against rules (he also insulted me in few posts, and it's against rules too).
The precedent is that "Troy" cheated in other campaigns before this one. I suspected this when Spain reached to infra 5 around 1525-1530 (he also lost 10 years because he did mint, around 10% inflation)... I must admit i didn't trust him from the beginning, that's why i wanted Oe in order to control his Spain after a really asymmetric roster. He clairly wanted to win this campaign without playing fairly via GM's biased decisions and now via edits it seems.
Fnuco, I will be needing your programme that can compare saved files in order to collect evidence, set a time (via icq or private messeges) for tonight in order to get online in icq, please.
ABout Spain; let's place a new perm player there. Let's all find someone!
About Poland; I say we give Poland up in order to have Netherlands. It will also give Sweden a chance to convert itself in a naval/colonizer power.
I also request to edit Spain's technology, trade 4, infra 4, edit governors out, edit everything in the east, India and Africa out, edit maps of course, i say we edit east exploration out, Spain will only know of America and west Africa.
I know it sounds like a lot of edits, but I prefer this than restarting it all.
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Grr.. Well I think a new campaign would be in order then. It seems like something always comes up that makes us quit the campaign, either Fnuco getting 6 CoT with Spain by 1530 or lack of players, and now KoP evidently cheated.
BTW, KoP, i'm sorry to hear of this man. I hope the games show that you did not cheat.
BTW, KoP, i'm sorry to hear of this man. I hope the games show that you did not cheat.
My problem with appointing Fncuo as GM as he has made it clear that I'm basically an evil, NAP breaker. I've typed out some good posts I think showing that this isn't the case, and also admitting that I need to make my NAP more clear next time. If I'm barred from joining the new game, not sure what to do.
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Editing out the CoT to the east is ridiculous. Fnuco had more CoT then this by this time. He had 6. In fact, KoP's Spain is not as good as you think. If I recall, Fnuco's Spain was much better in the first Kingdom of heaven game. We actually canceled the first game because it was clear Fnuco won lol. So taking out eastern CoT's I'm against.
We are in the middle of a war that I believe we will win, if Spain's economy is reduced so drastically, we will lose. In fact, Spain's economy is not much better then OE's. I say take out the Gov's and reduce the Infra, just to be safe. But about the maps, that's totally unnecessary.
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Editing out the CoT to the east is ridiculous. Fnuco had more CoT then this by this time. He had 6. In fact, KoP's Spain is not as good as you think. If I recall, Fnuco's Spain was much better in the first Kingdom of heaven game. We actually canceled the first game because it was clear Fnuco won lol. So taking out eastern CoT's I'm against.
We are in the middle of a war that I believe we will win, if Spain's economy is reduced so drastically, we will lose. In fact, Spain's economy is not much better then OE's. I say take out the Gov's and reduce the Infra, just to be safe. But about the maps, that's totally unnecessary.
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OH SHIT!!!
what a development of events :wacko: :wacko:
can you belive this. can you fuking belive this!!
is this for shure?
KoP had litlle bit strange attitude to some things but who could guess he is cheater.
how did you guys got his real name? he is not really smart if he gave you same name that got him banned.
i cant believe someone gets any pleasure in cheating
what a moron and and.. (i don't know) you have to be to get any satisfaction in cheating.
i hope we can continue with campaign. if we don't get any new perms we can leave spain ai-ed for a while. at least we wont have to make new edits when we find new player :rofl:
and btw about those edits i still remain on the same stand, it's got nothing to do with this new situation or in game state.
last session i couldn't repay my loan due to lag got two new loans due to lag and played whole session with 3 loans on my back. each cost 20 ducats a year you do the math.(and still got them) We cant correct all bugs in a game so imho it's better to leave them and let everyone get random (and therefore fair!) peace off misfortune. (with hevy editing bigges whiner gets he most, it's not fair and usually edits don't correct what happened, not to mention editor often edits some thing and forget other and so on). and missed inheritance is possible and not necessarily a bug ego. i know generally mp community likes to edit lots of things, i don't, i think it's ruining true spirit of game. i will for one rather go down in flames then be saved by edits.
OH SHIT AGAIN
can you believe guy was cheater
what a development of events :wacko:
:wacko: can you belive this. can you fuking belive this!!
is this for shure?
KoP had litlle bit strange attitude to some things but who could guess he is cheater.
how did you guys got his real name? he is not really smart if he gave you same name that got him banned.
i cant believe someone gets any pleasure in cheating
what a moron and and.. (i don't know) you have to be to get any satisfaction in cheating.
i hope we can continue with campaign. if we don't get any new perms we can leave spain ai-ed for a while. at least we wont have to make new edits when we find new player :rofl:
and btw about those edits i still remain on the same stand, it's got nothing to do with this new situation or in game state.
last session i couldn't repay my loan due to lag got two new loans due to lag and played whole session with 3 loans on my back. each cost 20 ducats a year you do the math.(and still got them) We cant correct all bugs in a game so imho it's better to leave them and let everyone get random (and therefore fair!) peace off misfortune. (with hevy editing bigges whiner gets he most, it's not fair and usually edits don't correct what happened, not to mention editor often edits some thing and forget other and so on). and missed inheritance is possible and not necessarily a bug ego. i know generally mp community likes to edit lots of things, i don't, i think it's ruining true spirit of game. i will for one rather go down in flames then be saved by edits.
OH SHIT AGAIN
can you believe guy was cheater
and we are not restarting again!!!
i will continue with my self and 7 AIs if it's necessary.
let's finish the game!
i will continue with my self and 7 AIs if it's necessary.
let's finish the game!