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Enslave all the celts, establish english superiority.
 
SFSLovenought said:
They already tried that.
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In which case, it is now an established tradition.

My solution:-

England - one parliament in either the midlands or the north- no provinces
Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland - one parliament each
All nations have the same devolved opt-outs

The UK - one parliament at Westminster - no house of Lords - elected across the UK in proportional constituencies - deals with all issues that aren't devolved i.e. the economy, foreign policy, defence etc.

Any nation that wants any special extra powers or wants special spending formulas or representation beyond what is proportional gets carved off and pushed towards Greenland.

All UK matters to be dealt with at Westminster, all devolved issues to be dealt with by appropriate
 
Also scrap off the monarchy. Viva la revolution!
 
Nickjbor said:
A very english englishman delegate responds
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If we kick out everyone that is not english, we will not have racism.
Also leave the EU.
 
Gordy said:
In which case, it is now an established tradition.

My solution:-

England - one parliament in either the midlands or the north- no provinces
Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland - one parliament each
All nations have the same devolved opt-outs

The UK - one parliament at Westminster - no house of Lords - elected across the UK in proportional constituencies - deals with all issues that aren't devolved i.e. the economy, foreign policy, defence etc.

Any nation that wants any special extra powers or wants special spending formulas or representation beyond what is proportional gets carved off and pushed towards Greenland.

All UK matters to be dealt with at Westminster, all devolved issues to be dealt with by appropriate
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Response from a Delegate from Cheshire.

I am not opposed to an English Parliament.

I am concerned however that such a Parliament would take away from Westminster.

There are 533 MPs from England. Even if you take London out, there are still 460 Members of Parliament from this single area alone. A Majority of Parliamentarians.

Would you propose creating a Parliament this large for England alone? Would it now grab the attention away from the work Westminster does? Would you propose creating a smaller parliament? If so what is to stop these legislators, who now represent more voters when compare to their Member of Parliament, from claiming moral authority?

This could open a great and terrible mess.

Would you be open to the idea of a compromise.

No "English Votes for English Laws" but rather, have all English members of Parliament also double as members of the English-Parliament. A separate body, meeting in a separate location, but with the same membership as Westminster.
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There are inklings that other delegates think this compromise is a terrible idea, but they do accept the complaints made as valid.


Some delegates are starting to feel as there is no answer.

Some Scottish delegates who votes YES are hoping this mess will lead to another referendum.
 
A Delegate from Yorkshire has proposed a "Compromise to the Compromise"

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Simply, we divide England into three regions, and give the London assembly more powers. No need for an over-sized English parliament, and no need for a dozen new minor Parliaments.
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A delegate from Wessex proposes the following

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A delegate from Leicester calls the proposal utterly ridiculous.

A delegate from Cumbria has scribbled on a map of England with a sharpie and loudly proclaims "look, I can draw lines on a map too!"

The convention is getting out of hand.
 
A scottish delegate gets up and announces
It seems everyone has realized and accepted that there IS no answer to this problem, and no way to fairly rewrite our constitution.

These delegates must therefore support an Independent Scotland, as this is exactly where things are headed unless they can figure out a compromise.
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Since we have reached this point, we should also make all the celts independent, and let only London be thy proud capital of Anglo - Saxonia in the Old World.
 
OOC: Note that I've asked permission to start this discussion in OT since this one clearly failed. If I get it, I'll create a "English Constitutional Reform" thread over there.
 
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