In CK2, claims only differ in strength, all claims allow you to:
- declare a war over it against holders from different (sub-)realm.
- legally revoke it from your vassals.
Regardless of where the claim derived from: inherited as a pretender, titles lost in a war, from the Pope, or just forged.
This can result in weird behaviors: when a king lost control of a duchy to foreign conquest, he gets claim on all the counties inside it, so if he ever reconquers it, he can revoke every counties there, even if they were hold by the same people as when he first lost it.
I propose splitting the current claim into different types:
1. Personal claim: when you hold the right to the title personally. It behaves the same as the current claim, but you only get it via being a pretender or losing it while having hold it previously.
2. Suzerainty claim: when you have the right to being the liege of a certain title. It is generated by losing non-demesne territory due to vassal succession or war. The difference is that this type of claim behaves like forced vassalization and doesn't let you take the contested title yourself.
3. Territorial claim: when you have the right to the land, not the titles. Currently, this only applies to Papal invasion and event-driven conquests. Ideally this can allow non-feudal conquests to result in less bordergore due to de jure and de facto mismatch.
- declare a war over it against holders from different (sub-)realm.
- legally revoke it from your vassals.
Regardless of where the claim derived from: inherited as a pretender, titles lost in a war, from the Pope, or just forged.
This can result in weird behaviors: when a king lost control of a duchy to foreign conquest, he gets claim on all the counties inside it, so if he ever reconquers it, he can revoke every counties there, even if they were hold by the same people as when he first lost it.
I propose splitting the current claim into different types:
1. Personal claim: when you hold the right to the title personally. It behaves the same as the current claim, but you only get it via being a pretender or losing it while having hold it previously.
2. Suzerainty claim: when you have the right to being the liege of a certain title. It is generated by losing non-demesne territory due to vassal succession or war. The difference is that this type of claim behaves like forced vassalization and doesn't let you take the contested title yourself.
3. Territorial claim: when you have the right to the land, not the titles. Currently, this only applies to Papal invasion and event-driven conquests. Ideally this can allow non-feudal conquests to result in less bordergore due to de jure and de facto mismatch.