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Not to his face
Seriously though, I would like for there to be a nickname option, either generated by traits or that you could put in yourself: We have Richard the Lionhearted, Edward Longshanks, Robert Curthose, William Rufus, Robert Guiscard, William the Lion, Charles the Bold, Philip the Fair, Peter the Cruel (Pedro el Cruel), William the Bastard, just to pick on Franks, Normans, and one ill-fated Spaniard.
The other thing that I suggested early on is to separate surnames from dynastic names, so you could be "of the House of X" but have as your surname some personal attribute (as I suggested above) or your place of birth or the first fief that you held. Might be too complicated to auto-generate for AI controlled realms, but I would like to advance it as a possibility to keep track of all those similarly named noble gentlemen (and gentlewomen) that interest you as the player.
At least Popes should be numbered... I d like to see an event or so saying "u have been excommunicated by Pope Pius II" LOL...
Not to his face
Seriously though, I would like for there to be a nickname option, either generated by traits or that you could put in yourself: We have Richard the Lionhearted, Edward Longshanks, Robert Curthose, William Rufus, Robert Guiscard, William the Lion, Charles the Bold, Philip the Fair, Peter the Cruel (Pedro el Cruel), William the Bastard, just to pick on Franks, Normans, and one ill-fated Spaniard.
The other thing that I suggested early on is to separate surnames from dynastic names, so you could be "of the House of X" but have as your surname some personal attribute (as I suggested above) or your place of birth or the first fief that you held. Might be too complicated to auto-generate for AI controlled realms, but I would like to advance it as a possibility to keep track of all those similarly named noble gentlemen (and gentlewomen) that interest you as the player.
I like that....next to Dynasty name a nickname. also they should be rather rare and for exceptional characters.
Nicknames can sometimes be quite subjective and unfair unfortunately. There are many instances when very capable rulers were slandered for posterity because they were remembered for the nickname given to them by their adversaires. Probably the best example is Emperor Konstantinos V Kopronymos = "name of dung." He had reformed the Eastern Roman Empire, stemmed the tide of Islam and pacified the Balkans, but his religious policy of continuing to forbid icon worshipping (iconoclasm) deeply split the Empire between iconoclasts (supporters) and iconodules (adversaries). When the latter triumphed after his death, Constantine's name was tarnished forever while his remains were thrown into the sea.
With regard to the problem of regal numbering, I'd suggest that maybe the game could write a chronicle of each political entity (kingdoms and dukedoms and counties) in which the rulers could be given numbers. This way, Emperor Henrich von Franken (shouldn't the dinasty be called Salian?) can appear as Henrich IV King of Germany in the "Chronicle of the Kings of Germany," Henri IV roi de Bourgogne in "Acts of the Burgundian Kings" and Enrico IV re d'Italia in the "Annals of the rulers of the Kingdom of Italy," and also as duke Henrich VIII of Bavaria in the "Deeds of the Bavarian Dukes" (after he removes the treacherous Nordheims from power, of course) and with other various regal numbers in the lands he ruled during his reign.
With regard to the problem of regal numbering, I'd suggest that maybe the game could write a chronicle of each political entity (kingdoms and dukedoms and counties) in which the rulers could be given numbers. This way, Emperor Henrich von Franken (shouldn't the dinasty be called Salian?) can appear as Henrich IV King of Germany in the "Chronicle of the Kings of Germany," Henri IV roi de Bourgogne in "Acts of the Burgundian Kings" and Enrico IV re d'Italia in the "Annals of the rulers of the Kingdom of Italy," and also as duke Henrich VIII of Bavaria in the "Deeds of the Bavarian Dukes" (after he removes the treacherous Nordheims from power, of course) and with other various regal numbers in the lands he ruled during his reign.
I think that I was the first to suggest nicknames of a sort, for the sake of remembering which monarch did what. Especially if you stick to the same name for your monarchs, as some kingdoms and duchies did historically. So, let's say that by 1453 you have led the German kingdom for almost four centuries, and you have Heinrich XI, Ludwig V, Johann II, and Karl III as the most popular names. Just for the sake of my own sanity, I began giving mine nicknames in CK1. Playing as one of the Spanish kingdoms, I had at one time something like ten Sanchos, four Juans, five Fernandos, and three Felipes, all with the surname Jimenez. So, I edited the savegame file: Okay, this one is Felipe the Pious, this one Felipe the Lame, and Felipe the Old (who lived to like 73). I also wanted for you to edit the names of people in your dynasty (or others too) to distinguish where they were from, which was more important than dynasty names at the time. So we have Fernando of Cordoba, Fernando of Lisboa, etc. It would be an interface thing, similar to how EU3 allows you to change the name of provincial capitals or the names of regiments and ships.
Maybe I got this wrong, but in my previous post I was answering to the suggestion that the game itself be the one which gives a nickname and/or a regal number to a character in the game. Sometimes rulers' nicknames were quite unfair, but reflected a controversy during that rulers' reign. Konstantinos V could have been known as "the Arab slayer," "the pacifier," "the brave" or "the lawgiver" (the latter if the iconoclasts had prevailed), but given that after his death his triumphant adversaries had the power to name him and thus we are left with the most unfortunate nickname ever to be given to a ruler. I'm certain this is not a unique case.
No, I agree with you. It could be generated by the game. I just would rather giving my own people the nicknames that I usually think up while watching them live their lives.
I really like the idea of regnal numbers. However, if you want a nickname why not just use your own imagination?
Yes, that's why Queen Elisabeth of England, Scotland and Ireland is never called Elisabeth II, as she still lives. Pun intended.
But talking about it: Wouldn't it be cool if one could actually name one's own heir?
I think the game should have two history sections. 1 By Region. In that I mean you click Barcelona and it gives you a history of the County of Barcelona by ruler and controling dynasty, the names have the title and number of the title. I think that 2 there should be a Dynasty history where individuals are known by the highest title they heald. Also 3 when you look at an individual there is a link on the Coat of Arms which links to all titles heald undisputed and the claims with the numbers (disputed). This may be complicated but it should always work. Your character should be known by the highest title they hold without number when viewing the character in game.
In any case, yes, she is referred to as Queen Elizabeth II.
The monograms on postboxes contain the letter "E" and the numeral "II", and there are numerous other examples, including web references and encyclopedic ones.
The thing is, an unqualified statement of "Queen Elizabeth wrote X" would be assumed to be the current one, unless in a text specifically about Elizabeth I. (For the sake of arguement here, we aren't going to touch the Scottish claim that as Elizabeth Tudor didn't reign in Scotland, Elizabeth (Windsor) II should in fact be labelled as Elizabeth I north of the border.) This is in the same way that if we had a statement that "King Harald of Norway did X" we would assume that to be Harald V, the incumbent unless there was context to show otherwise. Similarly for other kings.
I back this suggestion. It's worth noting that if you check the name files, names such as "John" or whatever for the English are repeated over and over so they're more common than like, Billy-Bob-Cornmuffin or something. In DVIP for the original CK for instance I repeated "Muhammad" like 50 times (and added names like Muhammad Iqbal, Muhammad Ali, Muhammad Ahmed, etc.) so that as IRL many people are named Muhammad in Arab societies.
But yeah, I don't think having Rufus I succeeded by Jesse I who then died and ushered forth his throne to Giles I to be usurped by Barack I who got defeated by Queen Sarah I only to get upped by Mr. T I is going to be all that common if the names are balanced correctly, and if that won't work then just have it so the direct children of the monarch have some sort of "preferred monarchic names" list that significantly lessens the chance that their prospective heir will go down in history as King Chefboyardee I Angevin or something.
But yeah, I don't think having Rufus I succeeded by Jesse I who then died and ushered forth his throne to Giles I to be usurped by Barack I who got defeated by Queen Sarah I only to get upped by Mr. T I is going to be all that common if the names are balanced correctly, and if that won't work then just have it so the direct children of the monarch have some sort of "preferred monarchic names" list that significantly lessens the chance that their prospective heir will go down in history as King Chefboyardee I Angevin or something.
I like the idea of preferred name lists, as there is for CK and EU3:HTTT. Going through history, there are some interesting would-be for monarch names for older children who did not survive their fathers. Henry VII's first son Arthur for instance; also George II's son Frederick, a reminder of his father's German origin.
Usually the kings chose their regal names after a prestigious or a saintly ancestor. Hence the huge number of kings of France named Louis (firstly after Clovis, the first Merovingian king of Francia, and later after Saint Louis IX), or the popularity of naming your heir Heinrich among the Bavarian dukes up to the last one (the XV methinks) who did not live up to the expectations of the name, and hence it was dropped for the next five centuries or so. Thus, the game could check which ancestor had more prestige or piety and generate the child's name accordingly. This shouldn't be the rule all the time: after all, Henri IV of France actually named his second son Gaston *oh dear!*
Not to his face
Seriously though, I would like for there to be a nickname option, either generated by traits or that you could put in yourself: We have Richard the Lionhearted, Edward Longshanks, Robert Curthose, William Rufus, Robert Guiscard, William the Lion, Charles the Bold, Philip the Fair, Peter the Cruel (Pedro el Cruel), William the Bastard, just to pick on Franks, Normans, and one ill-fated Spaniard.
The other thing that I suggested early on is to separate surnames from dynastic names, so you could be "of the House of X" but have as your surname some personal attribute (as I suggested above) or your place of birth or the first fief that you held. Might be too complicated to auto-generate for AI controlled realms, but I would like to advance it as a possibility to keep track of all those similarly named noble gentlemen (and gentlewomen) that interest you as the player.
I'd like to see nicknames based on the career of the character like "John the Bad" if he was a particular poor ruler. Or "John the lustful" if he has 20+ bastards in his lifetime. Heck... I hope their is a paradox acheivement for that one lol.
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Not only kings, but even the dukes! This is good news. And then to think we will also probably have a new dev diary later this week, I would say this is a perfect week!