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Never thought about it that way, but i'll do it now.

For Indonesia, the average monthly wage is around 4.6 million Rupiahs, or 4630k Rupiahs. Then HoI4's price here is at 643k Rupiahs. So it would be around 13.8% of our monthly wage. With the current discount, the price is cut to 257k Rupiahs, around 5.5% of our monthly salary.

I do have a bottled water price comparison here for the price hike between 2021 and 2024, but it's not that relevant here.
Wow, 13.8% of the salary per game is a lot... especially if it's the cost for a pure game without DLC.
Considering that HoI4 has about 15 DLC, I’m afraid to even imagine how much it all could cost in total...

And yes, thank you for telling me the approximate average salary in Indonesia, I looked it up, but I thought that the range of 4-5M is a very big difference.
 
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Can we have someone from Paradox to response to the latest questions and concerns?
I am mostly interested in games prices in Polish zloty, but as we can see there are many others to review.
 
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Can we have someone from Paradox to response to the latest questions and concerns?
I am mostly interested in games prices in Polish zloty, but as we can see there are many others to review.
The last time I contacted technical support with a request to bring this thread to the attention of Paradox staff, I received this response.
"Good afternoon, I've checked your replies and I don't understand really get why you thought we would provide you with a response? You didn't really ask any questions, you just complained about the increase and said we were just greedy. Why would we respond to that?". (That's a verbatim quote XD).
So given that this thread is a curse for Paradox staff, I don't think anyone will answer us anything. Although I was further advised to write to Matthias in private messages, but I'm too lazy to do that.
But still we realise that nothing will change until next year, and next year they will probably raise prices again. (Does anyone know of any cases where the price of a game has been reduced? :rolleyes:)
 
Paradox please look at regional pricing in Poland we got second highest price in the world on new dlc to stellaris. This is on yours every other game and dlc. This price is not adequate to polish income.
 

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Then I have a question for paradox so they can respond if they can't if there is no question mark:
Why your prices are so ill-considered?
What was your reasoning to set prices so high?
Why you think that paying more than 1% of AVARAGE wage in any country is fair in any way?
 
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Paradox please look at regional pricing in Poland we got second highest price in the world on new dlc to stellaris. This is on yours every other game and dlc. This price is not adequate to polish income.
yee and worst part is they just coppy steam... not evne look at it. they block all talk abaut it, like a guy say somthing and mod block it and just give link here, like that post is old and not evryone cna see it. On steam i do it and peopel start be Toxsic for me mods ignroe that and thme mod just shut down post bcs it do it puropose... XD. it just worst of worst and i think i never again buy any dlc from stema or paradox and just go buy keys from countrys that have less that 50% price bcs if they steal my money i steal they game.
 
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Well comrades, hoi4 is more expensive now for EUR region, from 40 to 50 eur, capitalistic pigs will also suffer this may make someone of you not so sad about regional prices
 
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paradox made that post jsut so they can collet evryone who talk abaut prices in one place and thme ignore them. it so trash at this point im not evne not sure i dont wana give my money to paradox anymore. IM TOTAL INTO that idea. soo nice paradox greed will doomm you, from be love by strategy players to be just like EA and sims.
 
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Hello everyone,

We’re getting closer to year end, which also means that our annual regional price adjustments are approaching. As a reminder, this is the time when we adjust the prices of our games and DLCs for markets and currencies that have fluctuated off our pricing benchmarks.

This time, the price adjustment will come into effect on the 16th of January 2024. As always, we want to give you an early heads-up, so you know what price changes to expect, aren't caught unaware and have a chance to make informed purchases in the coming months.

This time, we’re adjusting prices for two distinct categories of our products. Our live games, which are actively supported and, so called “Legacy” titles, i.e. games that are no longer actively supported. Each category will have different levels of adjustment, which I’ll get into below.

Active titles:
As in the previous years, our active games will see price adjustments of varying degree, depending on the market and currency involved. There are a lot of titles and currencies, and that makes it difficult to list every single change in an easily readable way. Below we’ll try to list all affected currencies in broader terms, and if either of you would like to get a more detailed breakdown, for any specific currency, feel free to ask in the thread and we’ll try to answer.

This time around, we'll see an increase of about 40% to 70% on average or more to five currencies: THB, RUB, MYR, UAH, ZAR.

More moderate level of increases can be expected for SGD, PEN, VND, COP, QAR, IDR, KWD, PHP, SAR, UYU, JPY, KZT, CRC, CLP, INR, BRL, South Asia USD.

Smaller price increases will affect TWD, HKD, MXN, CNY, AED, KRW, CAD, CIS USD.

There are also currencies that will see no price changes: USD, EUR, GBP, NOK, PLN, CHF, ILS, AUD, NZD as well as MENA USD and LATAM USD.

Legacy titles:
Unlike our active games, the legacy portfolio didn’t see a price adjustment in the past few years. That means the prices of most of these games are much behind our pricing benchmark in some markets. To have them with our overall pricing, we need to adjust their prices significantly in many currencies.

The number of both games and currencies involved in this adjustment is very high, so we can’t effectively list each of them here, but below I’ll try to give you an idea of adjustments for a few base game legacy products that we believe might be of particular interest to all of you:

South Korean WonNorwegian KroneIndian Rupee
Age of Wonders: Planetfall10%60%150%
BATTLETECH10%60%150%
Victoria II5%60%80%


If you have any questions about the details of any game’s or currencies’ price increases, feel free to post in the thread below and we’ll try to answer.
oh so why my country have price biger that euro one whne we in the same region for prices ? you dont want tell me that we make more money that places liek France or germany do you ?
 
If I understand it correctly, then Steam itselve is the cause of this problem. Steam is still using a US Dollar to PLN exchange rate from 2022, where it was about 1 to 4,7, but since 2 years the Polish Zloty is stronger again with an exchange rate from 1 to 3.8 on today, thats why we are overpaying most Steam games in the last 2 years.

It is described pretty good on this site: https://gg.deals/blog/gamers-in-poland-are-taking-action-against-inflated-prices-on-steam/
Even if this problem seems to be mostly caused by Steam, there already some dev studios who manually changed pricing for Poland (according to the posted GG.deals article, the Devs from Hades for example)

For example right now, if I would buy Victoria 3 SoI DLC in Poland, then I would pay 138,99 PLN, but in USA I would pay only 115,90 PLN and in Eurozone 128,47 PLN https://steamdb.info/app/2411231/

Polish Citizen are currently paying the 2nd highest price for Steam games, just right behind the Swiss.
 
If I understand it correctly, then Steam itselve is the cause of this problem. Steam is still using a US Dollar to PLN exchange rate from 2022, where it was about 1 to 4,7, but since 2 years the Polish Zloty is stronger again with an exchange rate from 1 to 3.8 on today, thats why we are overpaying most Steam games in the last 2 years.

It is described pretty good on this site: https://gg.deals/blog/gamers-in-poland-are-taking-action-against-inflated-prices-on-steam/
Even if this problem seems to be mostly caused by Steam, there already some dev studios who manually changed pricing for Poland (according to the posted GG.deals article, the Devs from Hades for example)

For example right now, if I would buy Victoria 3 SoI DLC in Poland, then I would pay 138,99 PLN, but in USA I would pay only 115,90 PLN and in Eurozone 128,47 PLN https://steamdb.info/app/2411231/

Polish Citizen are currently paying the 2nd highest price for Steam games, just right behind the Swiss.
It seems to me that we are talking about regional prices here, and not about the ratio of the price in a particular country to the dollar. It is clear that for a game publisher it makes no difference where the conditional 40 dollars are paid from, the point is that there are countries where this is too much.
Although, of course, the exchange rate also affects the formation of prices, but from the point of view of Paradox, we need to think about a better display of regional prices, without reference to the dollar (which Paradox clearly does not cope with).
 
after checking #polishourprices polish players have to pay 3-4 MORE EURO than Germans for every DLC or base game from paradox... if you want to buy all dlc you need to pay 100-200 euro more than German players

thanks paradox for discrimination because you dont want to manually update price for Poland and you passive taking adventage of russian agression on Ukraine while Steam made polish price when Dolar was 4,70 PLN, now Dolar is 3,80 PLN...
 
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Hello,

Is it possible to know whether Paradox uses the automatic converter provided by Steam or modifies the prices of games on the Steam platform itself?

According to https://steamdb.info/app/3152810/, the price of DLC (Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass 1) in Poland is one of the highest in the world at 171.25 PLN. Where the median earnings are lower than, for example, in Switzerland, France, Germany, the UK and other Western European countries.
According to statistics, the median in Poland in 2024 is 6,427.32 Zlotys is equivalent to 1,488.56 Euros.
In France in 2024 it is 3,566.66 Euros, in Switzerland in 2022 it was 7,208.14 Euros, in Germany in 2024 it is 4,373 Euros, in the United Kingdom in 2024 it is 3,531.16 Euros, in Romania in 2024 it is 1,655.47 Euros, in Spain in 2024 it is 1,134 Euros, in Italy in 2024 it is 3,720 Euros, in Ukraine in 2024 it is 15 thousand hryvnias = 1,500 PLN = 330.43 Euros.

The price of the game in Ukraine is 85,40 PLN, in Switzerland 188,99 PLN, in the UK 160,91 PLN, in the Euro countries 159,71 PLN. According to data from 05.10.2024.

Based on the information in this post https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/goetterdaemmerung-expansion-pass.1705688/post-29917025 DLC in Poland costs much more than is declared.

In view of what was written above, can we count on a reduction in the price of the dlc? If only to the price of 159.71 PLN?

I'm omitting here the fact that I think a year ago for new dlc in Poland we paid 71,99 PLN on steam and now 91,99 PLN. I will also point out, unfortunately, that it is more advantageous to buy on external sites in euros offering discounts than directly on the steam platform when there is a promotion for a given dlc.

Greetings and thank you in advance for the answer.
 
The price of the game in Ukraine is 85,40 PLN
I don't know what game you were looking at that price, but all Paradox games now cost 1219 UAH, which is 116.25 PLN. Which is still cheaper than Polish prices, but more expensive than the average player can pay for entertainment. (Especially in a country with an unstable economy and martial law!)
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I don't know what game you were looking at that price, but all Paradox games now cost 1219 UAH, which is 116.25 PLN. Which is still cheaper than Polish prices, but more expensive than the average player can pay for entertainment. (Especially in a country with an unstable economy and martial law!)View attachment 1200335
If you go to the first link from my message you will see that I write about another game. Namely about: Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass 1

I gave the name of this DLC right after the first link in (...).

This is the link I am talking about:
 
If you go to the first link from my message you will see that I write about another game. Namely about: Hearts of Iron IV: Expansion Pass 1

I gave the name of this DLC right after the first link in (...).

This is the link I am talking about:
Yes, the price of the DLC is indeed 898 UAH, however, I probably misunderstood the context and answered specifically about the "price of the game" and not "the price of the DLC / DLC pack". Thank you for pointing out my inaccuracy.

Although you can't count on a response from a Paradox employee, I'm not even sure that they read this thread, so we are essentially communicating with nothing here.
 
Yes, the price of the DLC is indeed 898 UAH, however, I probably misunderstood the context and answered specifically about the "price of the game" and not "the price of the DLC / DLC pack". Thank you for pointing out my inaccuracy.

Although you can't count on a response from a Paradox employee, I'm not even sure that they read this thread, so we are essentially communicating with nothing here.
Cool, thanks for clarifying my ignorance. Actually the term “price of the game” was not appropriate here. As you write I should write “the price of the DLC / DLC pack”. Then the meaning of my message would have been better preserved.

I was redirected here by Support so maybe someone is reading this after all. MattiasPDX you confirm my words :) ?
 
Cool, thanks for clarifying my ignorance. Actually the term “price of the game” was not appropriate here. As you write I should write “the price of the DLC / DLC pack”. Then the meaning of my message would have been better preserved.

I was redirected here by Support so maybe someone is reading this after all. MattiasPDX you confirm my words :) ?
Hah, I also got here thanks to the support service, I think it's something like an opportunity for them to get rid of annoying players with whom they are too lazy to communicate and solve the problem, and so they just said "well, write on the forum (where no one will answer you)".
And about MattiasPDX, well... he hasn't appeared on this forum for a very long time, a little less than half a year, so I myself do not expect to hear answers to my questions, and I do not advise you to.

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Okay guys, this moment has come:

DLC for HoI4 costs more than Baldur's Gate 3
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Earlier I posted here that I was going to continue buying new content for PDX games, but now understand that Paradox Sales Team has gone too far from our reality.
Good luck with such self-estimation, you just lost your customer with revenue trying to get 1 extra EUR from me.
 
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Okay guys, this moment has come:

DLC for HoI4 costs more than Baldur's Gate 3
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Earlier I posted here that I was going to continue buying new content for PDX games, but now understand that Paradox Sales Team has gone too far from our reality.
Good luck with such self-estimation, you just lost your customer with revenue trying to get 1 extra EUR from me.
Heaven forbid that your region has the single lowest price on this luxury good.
 
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