Regions of medieval Europe

[elvain]

Some progress has been done here:

Russia

the Baltic lands, Galicia and Volhynia still need to be worked out a little, also the area between Caucasus and azov/Tana, but generaly I think this should be final version of the core russian lands.

So now, I hope I can fully work on my RL

PS: notes to the northern part:
R - Rostov
Per - Pereyaslavl (other than souther one, but no specification found )
D - Dimitrov
The province that might be hard to read is Volokolamsk

 

[elvain]

For following maps I used little more imaginations as it is actualy hard to speak about 'historical regions' as we understand them in Europe...

new maps of Asia

Upper Asia:

The Steppes of Asia

 

[elvain]

Overview of the entire map in recent stage:

generaly I'm almost done with 'peripherial' parts of the map (Asia, Africa) and as soon as I will have more time I will fix those parts of Europe that need it

UPDATE 08-07-2010

 

[elvain]

after some time there finally is an update. I hope you will like this north of France better than the previous

http://www.rome.webz.cz/France.htm

 

[unmerged(72421)]

Hey there, I just found this (I think) and I'm going to nickpick you again.

What are the names of the regions in the Baltic region? I need the names of them to help you correct it for the borders to fit overall medieval administration/cultural borders.

 

[elvain]

the Baltic region is one of these which need to be revised. As it is now, it reflects situation of 15th century, which is bit late for my plans (mostly 11th - 13th, where total absence of sources, so use also additional sources from 800-1500)

 

[elvain]

Here is another small update, I made little progress with Bohemia and Poland. This map, however, is not the final version. More names will be added as well as more sources mentioned and linked (I lost some quotations to some maps of Poland which I used)

http://www.rome.webz.cz/bohemia_poland.htm

What are the names of the regions in the Baltic region? I need the names of them to help you correct it for the borders to fit overall medieval administration/cultural borders.

If you don't mind, could I ask you for some sources? The Baltic region is stil to be done, the way it is done covers too late period and it does not really correspond to the rest of Europe (which I successfully moved back into 11th to 13/14th century rather than 12th-15/16th)

 

[elvain]

it's been long since the last update here, so here is another - more detailed map of Poland and Bohemia
http://www.rome.webz.cz/bohemia_poland.htm
it isn't finnished yet, but at least something

11th to early 13th century

 

[Gustave Amon]

Fantastic work!

 

[trybald]

Fantastic work. But, can you do something with that mammoth Sandomierz? It had several subdivisions, some of which can be seen here.

 

[elvain]

thanks for the link tybald

I wanted to split it, but I didn't want to make "fantasy" borders (in some regions there are such, but those are planned to be either replaced or removed)

 

[elvain]

I have just started to push the project in the area of Germany.

For now I can consider Bohemia, Poland and France as almost finnished (only very few regions might be added there since now if I find them),
and in fact everything outside Europe...

the plan for near futire is:
1) Germany/HRE (generally in the upcoming month)
2) Russia and Baltic region (I have recieved very valuable maps from Calgalus, so I can do it in more detail)
3) Italy

 

[elvain]

I am currently working on Germany and here is a base map which is to be edited by another 2 maps. This one covers the Stauf period, the other 2 will be 1137 and 1378.

Pre Brothers of the Sword Estonia:

thanks for the maps!
what period is covered by this map btw?
as you can see in my previous post, Baltic region and Ruussia are the ones to come right after Germany. I already have plenty of sources, but any other are helpfull

 

[Kuipy]

after some time there finally is an update. I hope you will like this north of France better than the previous

http://www.rome.webz.cz/France.htm

Gui(nes?) => Guînes
Vermndois => Vermandois
there are two Vexin
Chateau Porcien => Château-Porcien (accent, hyphen)
Campagne => Champagne
Joiniville => Joinville
Issodun => Issoudun
Chateaur.(oux?) => Châteauroux
Mac.(on ?) => Mâcon
Chalon => Châlons
Gevaudan => Gévaudan
Angouleme => Angoulême
Sintonge => Saintonge
Rousillon => Roussillon
Uzes => Uzès

Also the nomenclature is an odd mix of region names and town names, maybe it would be more coherent to have one or the other . All the regions have a bigger town and many towns have a name for the region in their vicinity.

Cool thread though.

 

[elvain]

Period was before 1193 crusade. After crusade - ca. 1227 it started to developed into situation seen in the second map (you can still see several previous tribal county borders between order and bishopricks).
(...)
Btw, is it better if i just link to bigger maps instead posting it in the thread ?

thanks.
I already have some very nice maps, so I can find some valuable info in those you uploaded.
And IMO it is enough to link larger maps. Especially if you upload more of them.

PS: even though the map is painted only by me, the team consisting of all of you who posted here is a great help, especially in finding many valuable maps (many of which would most probably remain unknown to me)

Gui(nes?) => Guînes
Vermndois => Vermandois
there are two Vexin
Chateau Porcien => Château-Porcien (accent, hyphen)
Campagne => Champagne
Joiniville => Joinville
Issodun => Issoudun
Chateaur.(oux?) => Châteauroux
Mac.(on ?) => Mâcon
Chalon => Châlons
Gevaudan => Gévaudan
Angouleme => Angoulême
Sintonge => Saintonge
Rousillon => Roussillon
Uzes => Uzès

Also the nomenclature is an odd mix of region names and town names, maybe it would be more coherent to have one or the other . All the regions have a bigger town and many towns have a name for the region in their vicinity.

Cool thread though.

Thanks for comments. Most of them were typos, the rest was fruit of laziness (especially the accents - the texts were originaly made in windows paint which sucks in its text editor)

Concerning names I tried to put there as many regional names as possible. Could you please give me some examples of the wrongly named provinces?
the plan is to add all complete names (with correct accents) to the site as description of the map, while the map serves mainly as a basic overview with abbreviations (Chateaur.=Châteauroux; IdF=Ille de France etc.)

 

[Kuipy]

Well at least the following are names of towns, not regions :

Aalst
Lille
Tournai
Valenciennes

Guînes
Saint-Omer
Saint-Pol
Hesdin
Lens

Corbie
Amiens

Arques
Eu
Rouen
Évreux
Lisieux
Bayeux
Avranches
Mortain
Alençon

Chartres

Melun

Meaux
Reims
Rumigny
Château-Porcien
Rethel
Joinville
Joigny
Troyes
Bar-sur-Seine
Bassigny
Langres

Sens

Orléans

Blois

Vendôme
Loches

Auxerre
Donzy

Tonnerre
Avalon
Sémur
Dijon
Autun
Beaune
Mâcon

Chalons

Montaigu
Talmont
Fontenay
Thouars
Lusignan
Loudun

Aulnay

Angoulême

Turenne

Thiers
Brioude
Aurillac
Murat

Millau

Nîmes

Béziers
Carcassone
Razes

Narbonne

Foix

Tartas
Dax
Labenne

Oloron

I will try and list the corresponding regions. What actually complicate the matter is that within the context of medieval France noble titles often (but not always) corresponded to the main city in the fief, not the region (i.e. Duke of Orléans, not Duke of Orléanais). Duchy of Orléans would be a correct way to designate the province too, just not Orléans. So for something like Crusader Kings, city names may be more appropriate. It all depends on the context...

By the way "Ille de France" should be "Île de France" or concievably "Isle de France".

Keep up the good work.

 

[Earl Uhtred]

There are adjectives available for many of those towns though. Avranchin, Bessin, Chartrain and so forth.

 

[elvain]

I will try and list the corresponding regions. What actually complicate the matter is that within the context of medieval France noble titles often (but not always) corresponded to the main city in the fief, not the region (i.e. Duke of Orléans, not Duke of Orléanais). Duchy of Orléans would be a correct way to designate the province too, just not Orléans. So for something like Crusader Kings, city names may be more appropriate. It all depends on the context...

the bolded part was the reason of this all.
at least these were counties of...
Saint-Pol
Joinville
Orléans
Blois
Montaigu
Lusignan
Angoulême
Turenne
Foix

There are adjectives available for many of those towns though. Avranchin, Bessin, Chartrain and so forth.

that's absolutely correct. the problem is that I don't really remember reading about comte de Saint-Polois or duc d'Orléanois, but rather comte de Saint-Pol and duc d'Orléans.

Thanks to you I realized I need to redefine what approach I will use. If strictly regional (Orléanois) or some kind of historical where the titles are crucial.
I didn't think about it a lot especially when my goal was to map also regions bordering with Europe, where the regions hardly had a special regional name and their lords were simply "Lord of city XY", like in many parts of Europe.

Thanks for your comments anyway. I hope that with your help I may find the way as I didn't really think about it and you seem to be able to give me some arguments for at least one of the approaches, am I right?

 

[Earl Uhtred]

No point getting too doctrinaire about this. There's no shame in having some areas named for towns and others for... areas. It will change from region to region. If you decide the defining factor is what the local nabob will be called, by all means use town names in France and shire names in England and elsewhere.

 

[Edzako]

Here is a blurry picture with tribes that lived in Latvia just before crusades.