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Carolus Rex

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I have got a few questions for you guys.

1. When I ask a country for a Royal Marriage, and our realtion is around 0
they almost always say NO.
But when I ask a country with a relation around - 150 they almost always say YES. :confused:

2. Doesnt ever the computer try to improve the relations with your country, by sending money or so??
It seems the Human Player always have to send cash but the compiter just sits there, doing nothing, maybe offering a Royal Marriage sometimes. But then the relation must be good, or even very good.

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Bet Kindchen, bet, morgen kommt der Schwed.
 
1) There seems to be a bug in the new diplomacy system that makes nations with 0 relations refuse state marriages, while nations with negative or positive values may accept.

2) The computer never sends the human player money, since this may change the game value of relations between the two countries, but obviously doesn't affect the human player's reactions.
 
I can refute... It is NOT a bug.

A country that has got relation = 0 is neutral towards you and is rarely interested in befriending you.

However a country that has got relation = -150 is your enemy and will easily accept a Royal Marriage from you as it will lead to a -1 stability hit should you DoW her.

Smart, huh ! :)

/Greven
 
Very smart. :) But why then get they interested again when relations are slightly better than 0? :D

Hartmann (*waiting for another smart move from Greven*)


[This message has been edited by Hartmann (edited 21-02-2001).]
 
Originally posted by Greven:
I can refute... It is NOT a bug.

A country that has got relation = 0 is neutral towards you and is rarely interested in befriending you.

However a country that has got relation = -150 is your enemy and will easily accept a Royal Marriage from you as it will lead to a -1 stability hit should you DoW her.

Smart, huh ! :)

/Greven
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I figured that one out just after I posted.
I'm not as stupid as you guys think ;)

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Bet Kindchen, bet, morgen kommt der Schwed.
 
Originally posted by Hartmann:
Very smart. :) But why then get they interested again when relations are slightly better than 0? :D

Hartmann (*waiting for another smart move from Greven*)


[This message has been edited by Hartmann (edited 21-02-2001).]
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I believe the Neutral relation class is approxo -20 to +20. At least they use to accept when I have +25. :)

/Greven
 
Why this is smart but not realistic:

When they are around zero, they are neutral, and therefore - as You said - not interested in befriending You. (I´m not sure whether such interests would conceptually contradict their neutralness, but for arguments sake, o.k.). But now, when they turn the proposal down, they actually worsen relations! Due to their inherent neutralness they should equally not be interested in doing THAT. So either the game should crash or loop in such a situation, or they should simply sometimes accept the offer and sometimes not (modified by the skill of the monarch, of course). :)

Hartmann (*awaiting the next smart move from Greven*)



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The relation number drops very little, to -4 or -5.

-5, then again you gain +15 if you succede +2VP if you where the initiator.

One has to spend some money to get them warm for a marriage
Or insult them =)


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I think the whole argumentation why a country with -150 should accept and a country with 0 not doesn't make sense.

First a country with neutral relation gets the same protection from a RM as one with -150.
Second neutral means they see as normal. which from my point of view should give you at least a chance of suceeding.
While enemy means hates you, which is a very good reason not to accept a marriage., even when it offers some protection. And I doubt historically it happend often apart as a forced peace condition.

So I see this behavior as a serious bug, that should be changed. BTW what are the BG rules for this? or are there no rules for RMs in the BG?

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Matthias
 
Originally posted by Hartmann:
Why this is smart but not realistic:

When they are around zero, they are neutral, and therefore - as You said - not interested in befriending You. (I´m not sure whether such interests would conceptually contradict their neutralness, but for arguments sake, o.k.). But now, when they turn the proposal down, they actually worsen relations! Due to their inherent neutralness they should equally not be interested in doing THAT. So either the game should crash or loop in such a situation, or they should simply sometimes accept the offer and sometimes not (modified by the skill of the monarch, of course). :)

Hartmann (*awaiting the next smart move from Greven*)

[This message has been edited by Hartmann (edited 22-02-2001).]
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No more smart moves from me... :)
I see your point and think you are right on this matter.

/Greven
 
Kulko said:
I think the whole argumentation why a country with -150 should accept and a country with 0 not doesn't make sense.

First a country with neutral relation gets the same protection from a RM as one with -150.
Second neutral means they see as normal. which from my point of view should give you at least a chance of suceeding.
While enemy means hates you, which is a very good reason not to accept a marriage., even when it offers some protection. And I doubt historically it happend often apart as a forced peace condition.

Greven said:
Yes but if you are a single-province country it might not be very smart against France, or??? So it is rational and smart for the AI to protect himself from the countries that he believe will attack him and he do not want to attack himself. I did never say he accept RM with the latter types of countries.

Kulko said:
So I see this behavior as a serious bug, that should be changed. BTW what are the BG rules for this? or are there no rules for RMs in the BG?

Greven said:
Bug is an error in the game. This is thus NOT a bug as this was intentional. However, you might of course say you believe it is a bad feature. I don't think this will be changed and of course I see no good reason for changing it either. Though I think Hartmann has got a point on the relational change matter.

/Greven
 
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