Releasable Nation Thread

[YashaCarry]

So, I've noticed that we've had a lot of discussion on the formable nations of EU5, and I figured, well, why not make a thread so we can discuss the releasable nations? I think that there's a lot of them, and I am curious to hear what ideas could be thought of, even if many are rehashes from previous Paradox games, and I think that having it could help give some minor feedback to the developers. So without further ado, I'll go ahead and get us started off with the ones I'd like to see.

I would also like to say that I would love a similar treatment to them as formable so we have the historical ones, the plausible ones, and the ahistorical ones, all toggled by game rules. This will only focus on the ones that I find historical or plausible, but I might make my own addendum with ahistorical formables.

Tags from EU4

Name	TAG	Culture	Notes
Malta	MLT	Maltese	I hope they give it a different tag than JAI, especially with the tag likely going somewhere that's more fitting in my opinion.
Rügen	RUG	Western Pomeranian
Finland	FIN	Finnish
Gaeldom/Highlands/Alba	HSC	Highland
Tétouan	TET	Masmuda/Moroccan
Kazakh(stan)	KZH	Uzbek? I'm not sure where Kazakh as a culture has gone.
Imereti	IME	Georgian
Estonia	EST	Estonian
Gotland	GOT	Gutnish
Livonia	LVA	Liv(onian)	I hope that the Livonian Order (LIV) tag can be utilised for what the Livonia (LVA) tag was intended for in EU4, since I feel like the Livs now that they're represented need a tag of their own.
Latgallia	LTG	Latvian
Dalmatia	DAL	Dalmatian
Transylvania	TRA	Transylvanian	I know this was already confirmed, but I'm adding it here because... well, it should be here.
Nitra	SLO	Slovak
Montenegro/Zeta	MON	Serbian
Northumberland/Northumbria	NOL	Northumbrian
Mann	MNX/KOI	Norse-Gael	If Manx exists, or emerges, use it instead.
Danzig	DNZ	Prussian	Could also be Kashubian
Krakow	KRA	Lesser Polish
Avignon	AVI	Provencal
Champagne	CHP	Champenois
Orleans	ORL	Francien
Picardy	PIC	Picard
Toulouse	TOU	Languedocien
Berry	BER	Berrichon
East Frisia	EFR	Frisian
Styria	STY	Danube Bavarian
Catalonia	CAT	Catalan
Galicia	GAL	Galician
Leon	LON	Asturleonese
Valencia	VAL	Catalan
Asturias	ASU	Asturleonese
Modena	MOD	Emilian
Parma	PAR	Emilian
Sardinia	SAR	Sardinian
Astrakhan	AST	Astrakhani
Crimea	CRI	Crimean
Kazan	KAZ	Kazani
Qasim	QAS	Mishary
Zaporozhie	ZAZ	Ruthenian
Nogai	NOG	Nogai
Sibir	SIB	Yerle Qaliq
Aden/Lahej	ADE/LHJ	Yemeni
Soran	SRA	Kurdish
Lebanon	LEB	Syriac/Levantine
Mikhlaf	MFL	Yemeni/Hijazi
Najran	NJR	Yemeni
Mahra	MHR	Mehri
Rassids/Qasimids/Zaidi/Azal	ZAI	Yemeni	Ignore how I condensed four tags into one.
Sharjah	SHR	Shihhi
Iraq	IRQ	Iraqi
Syria	SYR	Levantine
Ramdanids	RAM	Turkish/Turkoman	Emergent really.
Ardabil	ARL	Azeri	or Adhari? Not sure.
Mushasha	MSY	Iraqi
Algeria	ALG	Algerian
Fez	FEZ	Moroccan
Kabylia/Ait Abbas	KBA/ABB	Kabyle
Sus	SOS	Masmuda
Salé	SLE	Moroccan
Marrakesh	MRK	Moroccan
Khiva	KHI	Nogai/Khorazmian	Not sure which one works better
Uzbek(istan)	UZB	Uzbek	This is sort of obvious
Ferghana	KOK	Uzbek
Khorasan	KHO	Khorasani
Afghanistan	AFG	Afghan
Transoxiana	TRS	Uzbek
Luristan	LRI	Luri
Sistan	SIS	Persian?
Biapas	BPI	Mazanderani
Fars	FRS	Persian
Yazd	YZD	Persian
Isfahan	ISF	Persian
Tabriz	TBR	Azeri
Maregheh	MGR	Azeri
Ajam	QOM	Persian
Basra	BSR	Iraqi
Funj	FNJ	Sudanese Arab/Nubian
Songhai/Gao	SON	Songhai
Mutapa	MTP	Shona
Adal	ADA	Somali
Segu	SGU	Bambara
Wadai	WAD	Tunjur
Darfur	DAR	Fur
Geledi	GLE	Somali
Harar	HAR	Harari
Hobyo/Hiraab	HOB	Somali
Majeerteen	MJE	Somali
Marehan	MRE	Somali
Semien/Beta Israel	BTI	Amhara
Hadiya	HDY	Hadiya
Shewa	SOA	Amhara	Could be Oromo later
Janjiro	JJI	Sidama(?)
Dongola	DGL	Sudanese Arab
Nkore	NKO	Rutara
Bunyoro	BNY	Rutara
Butua	BUA	Shona
Annam	ANN	Vietnamese
Banten	BAN	either Javanese or Sundanese
Champasak	CHK	Lao
Luang Prabang	LUA	Lao
Malacca	MLC	Malay
Mataram	MTR	Javanese
Pattani	PAT	Malay
Tonkin	TOK	Vietnamese
Vientiane	VIE	Lao
Yarkand	YRK	Uyghur
Oirat	OIR	Oirat	Technically it was a confederation of four so maybe the individual confederation members should be releasable?
Chahar	CHH	Mongol
Sarig Yogir	SYG	Oirat (Yugur maybe?)
Kara Del	HMI	Mongol
Tsang	TSG	Tibetan
Kham	KAM	Tibetan
U	UTS	Tibetan
Bijapur	BIJ	Deccani
Golconda	GOC	Deccani
Deccan/Hyderabad	DEC	Deccani
Maharashtra (Marathas)	MAR	Marathi
Ahmadnagar	AHM	Deccani
Assam	ASS	Assamese
Malwa	MLW	Malvi
Jaunpur	JNP	Awadhi
Mysore	MYS	Kannadiga
Multan	MUL	Punjabi
Nagpur	NAG	Nagpuri
Punjab	PUN	Punjabi
Berar	BRR	Deccani
Jangladesh	JAN	Bagri/Shekhawati
Carnatic	KRK	Tamil
Keladi	KLD	Kannadiga
Khandesh	KHD	Khandeshi
Awadh/Oudh	AWA/ODH	Awadhi
Calicut	CLC	Malayalam
Mewat	MEW	Mewati
Baroda	BDA	Gujarati
Bhutan	BHU	Ngalop
Kotte	KTE	Sinhala
Nagaur	NGA	Marwari
Rohilkhand/Rampur	RMP	Dehlavi
Patiala	PTA	Punjabi
Tirhut	TRT	Maithili
Jharkhand	JRK	Magahi
Rewa Kantha	RWK	Gujarati
Gujarat	GUJ	Gujarati
Andhra	ADH	Telugu
Idar	IDR	Gujarati
Porbandar	PRB	Gujarati
Navangar	NVR	Gujarati
Rajkot	RJK	Gujarati
Kalinjar	KLJ	Gujarati
Kalpi	KLP	Braji
Sambalpur	SBP	Orissan
Parlakhimidi	PRD	Orissan
Jeypura	JPR	Orissan
Surguja	SRG	Chhattisgarhi
Kandy	KND	Sinhala
Telingana	TLG	Telugu
Kolathunad	KLT	Malayalam
Dang	DNG	Khas
Gorkha	GRK	Khas
Jumla	JML	Khas
Makwanpur	MKP	Khas
Sirmur	SRM	Kangri
Kathmandu	KTU	Newari
Gingee	GNG	Tamil
Tankore	TNJ	Tamil
Sirhind	SRH	Punjabi
Fulo	FUL	Fulbe
Jenné	JNN	Bobo
Kaabu	KBU	Balanta/Mandinka
Timbuktu	TMB	Tuareg
Massina	MSN	Fulbe
Ava	AVA	Burmese
Johor	JOH	Malay
Muang Phuan	MPH	Lao
Perak	PRK	Malay
Mong Pai	MPA	Shan
Blambangan	BLM	Javanese
Cirebon	CRB	Javanese
Demak	DMK	Javanese
Siak	SAK	Malay
Pagarruyung	PGR	Minangkabau
Banjar	BNJ	Banjar
Lanao	LNO	Jimmu
Pangasinan	PGS	Tagalog
Quitu	QTO	Cara
Huyla	HJA	Wari
Ingolstadt	ING	Danube Bavarian
Bayreuth	BYT	East Franconian
Spoleto	SPL	Mediano
Herzegovina	HRZ	Bosnian
Calenberg	CLB	Low Saxon
Donauworth	DWT	Swabian
Coburg	COB	Saxon
Berau	BEU	Kayan
Deli	DLI	Malay
Jambi	JMB	Malay
Kelantan	KEL	Malay
Indrapura	IND	Rejang

Tags from Vic3

Name	TAG	Culture	Notes
Abu Dhabi	ABU	Khaliji
Abkhazia	ABK	Abkhazian
Alwar	ALW	Dhundhari	or Mewati?
Arabistan/Muhammara	ARB	Iraqi
Assyria	ASY	Syriac
Bahawalpur	BHW	Punjabi
Bahrain	BHN	Bahrani
Bamum	BMM	Bantoid
Barotse	LZO	Lozi
Begemder/Gondar	BGM	Amhara
Bemba	BMB	Bemba
Bhavnagar	BHV	Gujarati
Bhopal	BHO	Malvi
Bulungan	BLG	Kayan and Tidung
Bundu	BND	Fulbe
Cayor	CAY	Wolof	Existed as a vassal kingdom to Jolof in 1337, but didn't gain independence until 1549.
Chuvashia	CHV	Chuvash	(for now Kazani)
Constantine/Bejaia	CON/BJA	Algerian/Tunisian
Dar al Kuti	DAK	Seru (?)
Dharampur	DHA	Gujarati
Dir	DIR	Afghan
Erzya-Moksha/Mordovia	MRD	Erzya/Moskha
Futa Jallon	FTJ	Fulbe
Futa Toro	FTR	Fulbe
Gojjam	GJM	Amhara
Herat	HER	Tajik (?)
Hesse-Kassel	HEK	Rhine Franconian
Indore	IND	Malvi	This probably exists in EU4, I just forgot if it does.
Isaaq	ISQ	Somali
Java	JAV	Javanese
Ka'arta	KRT	Bambara
Kabul	KBL	Afghan
Kafiristan	KAF	Kafir
Kandahar	KDR	Afghan
Kathiri	KTH	Hadhrami	This is in EU4 as Hadhramaut, but I lumped it here because I forgot it did.
Khairpur	KRP	Sindhi
Kirgizia	KYR	Kyrgyz
Kishi Juz	KJZ	Kazakh (same deal as Kazakh(stan) )
Kolhapur	KHP	Marathi
Jhansi	JHN	Bundeli
Kunduz	KDZ	Uzbek
Kurnool	KNO	Deccani, Telugu
Maimana	MMA	Tajik, Uzbek
Manyika	MNK	Shona
Mari El	MRI	Mari
Mascara	MSC	Algerian/Zenati
Mayurbhanj	MYB	Orissan
Strelitz	STZ	Western Pomeranian
Orta Juz	OJZ	Kazakh (same deal as Kazakh(stan) )
Oualata (Walata)	OUA (WAL)	Tuareg
Palanpur	PLP	Gujarati
Pontianak	PON	Malay
Pudukottai	PUD	Tamil
Satara	SAT	Marathi
Meiningen	MEI	Saxon
Weimar	WEI	Saxon
Selangor	SLN	Malay
Sidamo	SDM	Sidama
Sintang	STG	Bidayuh
Surakarta	SRK	Javanese
Tajikistan	TJI	Tajik
Tigray	TGR	Tigrinya
Trarza	TRZ	Godala
Tuva	TUV	Tuvan
Udmurtia	UDM	Udmurt
Uly Juz	UJZ	Kazakh (same deal as Kazakh(stan) )
Turkmenia	TRM	Turkmen
Wallonia	WLL	Walloon
Welega	WLG	Amhara	Would technically be Oromo, but lets not get into that.
Wollo	WLO	Amhara	Would technically be Oromo, but lets not get into that.
Yogyakarta	YOG	Javanese

Tags from HOI4

Name	TAG	Culture	Notes
Pomerelia (Kashubia)	PML (KSH)	Kashubian
Qemant	QMT	Agaw
Rif	RIF	Masmuda

Titles from CK3

Name	TAG	Culture	Notes
Nikaea	NKE	Greek	For the Greek-majority areas of Anatolia
Cumania	CMN	Cuman	For the Cuman areas of Hungary, completely different from CK3, but I don't really care
Ghana/Wagadu	GHN/WGD	Soninke
Bene-Israel	BNI	Kochinim
Lancaster	LAN (or LCS)	English	This was in EU4 long ago, so it has to return, obviously.
York	YOR (or YRK)	English	This was in EU4 long ago, so it has to return, obviously.
Nordgau	NDG	Upper Palatine	Based off of a historical Margraviate of Bavaria that existed until 1329.
Istria	IST	Dalmatian
Thessalonika	TNK	Greek	Based on the historical Kingdom of Thessalonica that existed as a subject of the Latin Empire
Thessaly	TSL	Greek	Based on the historical despotate that existed until 1318
Slavonia	SVO	Croatian	Subregion of Hungary
Vidin	VDN	Bulgarian	Would start existing as a separate entity from Bulgaria in 1369
Dobruja (Karvuna)	DBJ (KVN)	Bulgaria	Would start existing as a separate entity from Bulgaria in 1356
Cappadocia	CPD	Cappadocian	A cultural tag for the Cappadocians really
Latium	LTM	Mediano	This one is pure silly, to be honest. There is some ramification behind it, but not a lot.
Jamtland	JMT	Norwegian	Weird border region between Norway and Sweden, felt right.
Polabia	PLB	Polabian	It's a cultural tag for the Polabians.
Curonia	CUR	Curonian	Took the duchy of Courland and made it something interesting.
Samogitia	SMG	Samogitian
Greater Poland	GPL	Greater Polish	Historical Polish Duchy, stopped existing in 1320
Lesser Poland	LPL	Lesser Polish	Historical Polish Duchy, stopped existing in 1320.
Vepsia	VPS	Vepsian	Another cultural duchy from CK3 that can be utilised.
Languedoc	LGD	Languedocien
Poitiers (Poitou)	PTU	Poitevin
Valois	VLS	Francien
Socotra	SOC	Soqotri
Diarra/Diafunu	DRA	Soninke
Mema	MMA	Soninke
Sosso	SSO	Soninke
Takrūr	TKR	Serer/Fulbe
Wuli	WLI	Mandinka
Kasa	KSA	Bainuk/Mandinka
Pereyaslavl	PYS	Severian	A historical duchy in the lands of Russia, existed until either 1239 or 1323.

Cultural Tags

Name	TAG	Culture	Notes
Saintonge	STG	Saintongeais	This did exist as a historical county from 1371 to 1790
Limoges	LMG	Limousin	This did exist as a historical viscounty from 876 to 1589
Vivarias (Viviers)	VVR	Alpine	This existed as a historical county until 1309
Yotvingia (Sudovia)	YTV (SDV)	Sudovian	This was a tribal group at some point, but in the 13th century it had proper dukes and all, so I'd say it can qualify.
Lazia	LAZ	Laz	It was a theme of Trebizond during this time, so it's not impossible.
Izhoria/Ingria	IZH/IGR	Ingria	This one is just pure spitballing, but it's not stupid.
Jászság/Jaszygia	JSZ	Jasz	This was a Hungarian province and later district and was also autonomous, so it's not impossible
Székelyföld	SZK	Székely	They had some internal autonomy inside of Hungary and Transylvania, so it builds a small case.
Siebenbürgen/Königsboden	SIE	Transylvania German	They had some internal autonomy inside of Hungary and Transylvania, so it builds a small case
Vlachia	VLC	Aromanian	There were a province and region in Thessaly, eventually coming to mean the entire region of Thessaly. As an ethnic tag, it serves a decent purpose.
Gonja	GNJ	Gonja	Historical kingdom founded around 1675
Kenedugu	KDG	Senufo	Historical kingdom founded around 1650
Saluum	SLM	Serer	Historical kingdom founded around 1500
Koya	KYA	Temne	Historical Kingdom founded around 1505
Bonny	BNY	Ijaw	Historical Kingdom that... could be on the map in 1337, actually.
Igala	IGL	Igala	Historical Kingdom founded in the 16th century
Kwararafa	KWA	Benue	Historical confederacy founded... between the 13th and 15th centuries.
Mingrelia	MGL	Mingrelian	Became an independent duchy in the 16th century that lasted until 1867.
Svaneti	SVN	Svan	Became an independent principality in 1463 that lasted until 1858.

Other Additions

Name	TAG	Culture	Notes
Dila	DLA	Sanhaja/Moroccan	Sufi brotherhood Sultanate that existed from 1637-1659 (ruled Morocco in 1659-1663) and then again in 1663-1668
Shilluk	SHK	Shilluk	Existed from about 1490-1861
Fazughli	FZG	Nubian	Existed from about 1500 to 1685, perhaps an Alodian refugee state?
Taqali	TQL	Nuba	Established as early as 1550 in the Nuba mountains and remained independent until 1884.
Kuku/Zwazwa	KKU	Kabyle	Another Kabyle kingdom that lasted from 1515 to 1638
Bagirmi	BRM	Bagirmi	Existed from 1480 or 1522 to 1897 as a separate kingdom. Yes this exists in Vic3, I forgot.
Xasso	XSO	Mandinka	Existed from 1681 to 1880 as an independent kingdom.
Damagaram/Zinder	DMG	Hausa	Existed as a tiny vassal state of Bornu from 1731 to 1851
Baol	BAO	Wolof or Serer	Existed as a vassal kingdom to Jolof from the 11th century until it gained independence around 1549.
Sine	SNE	Serer	Existed as a vassal kingdom to Jolof from the 13th or 14th century and gained independence in 1549.
Saloum	SLM	Serer	Existed as a vassal kingdom to Jolof around 1494 and gained independence in 1549.
Waalo	WAA	Wolof	Supposedly founded in the 13th-14th century, and became a vassal to Jolof until 1549.
Solimana	SMN	Mandinka	Founded in the 17th century around Falaba in Sierra Leone.
Gyaaman	GYM	Akan	Founded around 1450.
Denkyira	DKY	Akan	Founded around 1500.
Whydah	WDH	Yoruba	Founded in the 16th-17th century in Benin
Aro	ARO	Igbo	Founded around 1690.
Toro	TOO	Rutara	Founded in 1830.
Kuwait	KWT	Iraqi	Founded in 1752 as independent from al-Haasa
Reuss	REU	Saxon	Was a proper county from 1010 onwards
Altenburg	ALT	Saxon	County in the HRE beginning in 1602
Gotha	GTH	Saxon	County in the HRE beginning in 1640
Hildburghausen	HDB	Saxon	County in the HRE beginning in 1680.
Elba	ELB	Tuscan	Tiny principality that existed between 1814 and 1815.
Massa	MSA	Emilian	Existed from 1473 to 1829.
Stolp	STP	Eastern Pomeranian	Existed from 1368 to 1478.
Neustettin	NST	Eastern Pomeranian	Existed from 1372 to 1478.
Maramureș	MRM	Transylvanian	Hungarian voivodeship from 1343-1402.
Severin	SVR	Wallachian	Hungarian banate from 1228 to 1526.
Kabardia	KBD	Circassian	Principality that existed from 1453 to 1825.
Elisu	ELS	Lezgin	Tiny sultanate that existed from 1604 to 1844.
Caucasian Imamate	CAU	Nakh, Avar, Lak, Dargin, Lezgin, Kumyk	Existed from 1828 to 1859.
Kartli	KRT	Georgian	Successor state of Georiga that existed from 1478 to 1762
Guria	GRI	Georgian	Successor state of Georgia that existed from 1460 to 1829.
Kakheti	KKH	Georgian	Successor state of Georgia that existed from 1465 to 1762.
Amalfi	AMF	Neapolitan	Notable duchy that existed from 958 to 1137 when Pisa sacked it.
Taranto	TRN	Neapolitan/Sicilian	Vassal of Naples that existed from 1130 to 1465.
Caligiari	CGI	Sardinian	Judicate that existed from 1020 to 1258
Gallura	GLR	Sardinian	Judicate that existed from the 11th century to 1296.
Logudoro	LGU	Sardinian	Judicate that existed from the 11th century to 1259.
Piombino	PMB	Tuscan	Principality that existed from 1398 to 1805.
Galloway	GLW	Scottish/Highland	Lordship of Scotland that existed until 1234 and then was revived in 1369.
Moray	MRY	Highland	Earldom created in 1312.
Lovech	LVC	Bulgarian	Bulgarian despotate created in 1330 and lasted until 1446.
Galuh	GLH	Sundanese	Separate kingdom from Sunda from the 7th century to 1482.
Singapore	SGP	Malay	Existed as a Srivijaya successor state from 1299 to 1398.
Gampola	GPL	Sinhala	Kingdom in Sri Lanka from 1341-1408
Sitawaka	STW	Sinhala	Kingdom in Sri Lanka from 1521-1594
Arsiland/Arababni	ARS	Hadiya	Existed from 12th century to 1840

And with that, I hope that I've made a sort of... giant list, so we can spark some more discussion on releasable nations, such as any I missed, or any other ideas that might emerge.

I also will probably work on the ahistorical ones soon, just give me a bit. For now... I leave this thread in your hands.

 

[Uskok]

Slavonia is not a sub-region of Hungary but a region of Croatia. Croatia consists of three parts (Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia)

 

[YashaCarry]

Slavonia is not a sub-region of Hungary but a region of Croatia. Croatia consists of three parts (Croatia, Slavonia and Dalmatia)

Slavonia in 1337 was much like Croatia as a vassal of Hungary. That's what I mean more explicitly. It's a subregion of Hungary... in 1337. It's Croatian through and through, no denying that, hell they were unified in 1476 as one banate, but that's just how I worded it.

 

[Uskok]

Slavonia in 1337 was much like Croatia as a vassal of Hungary. That's what I mean more explicitly. It's a subregion of Hungary... in 1337. It's Croatian through and through, no denying that, hell they were unified in 1476 as one banate, but that's just how I worded it.

First of all kudos for the effort and opening this topic.

Just a small correction, Croatia and Slavonia were not vassals but in a personal union based on the "pacta conventa". That is, different states with a common king, the hungarian one. Croatia and Slavonia had their own sabors (parliament) and ban (royal governor who governed those parts). although Slavonia is placed in a subregion of Hungary, it would be correct to say that it is a region of Croatia that is under the rule of Hungary

 

[cumaethor]

I would like if majority of cultures gets its own tag. Even cultures that historically never had their own separate tag. Like from your example Székelyföld, Lazia, but expanded to majority of cultures:
- Aromanians,
- Arvanites
- Grikos
- Copts
...

I understand that paradox will not add alt-history flavor on release, just throwing it out there for future dlc's

 

[YashaCarry]

I would like if majority of cultures gets its own tag. Even cultures that historically never had their own separate tag. Like from your example Székelyföld, Lazia, but expanded to majority of cultures:
- Aromanians,
- Arvanites
- Grikos
- Copts
...

I understand that paradox will not add alt-history flavor on release, just throwing it out there for future dlc's

I actually did suggest a Aromanian tag of Vlachia! But I would agree, I would love to see that every culture gets a tag at some point.

 

[GastonEstBonne]

I would like to see more releasables that are former countries/titles that no longer exist in 1337. I also think generally there should be releasables everywhere possible so we can partition countries and vassalize parts of countries. Hopefully vassals will be better in this game.

 

[GabriKimba]

The Bishropry of Belluno declared indipendente from Verona just to get annnexed again by Venice, but it had a quite long history before so it would be nice to see it.