Restarting the project

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You really want to look at a religion that lost alot, how about Catholicism. It lost its 3 top super powers, Spain, Austria and a united France. In one game I actually saw all of Europe except Burgundy, Italy and the Order go protestant. Talk about a lot of blue on the religon map.

That's true, the only large sets of catholic provinces left are the whole of Italy, northern and easter France (occupied by Burgundy and Savoy - but Savoy will probably get some reformed provinces, and Burgundy easily expands in the Lower Countries and/or Germany), and southern Germany. And the Kingdom of Jerusalem (if it survives). And Eire (tough if it expands into Scotland/England, it'll get some protestant/reformed provinces too). Britanny will probably stay catholic too (with the three cultures, that's the easiest way IMO).

It's probably not a priority (Europe has been deeply aberrated already), but we could think about giving a 'catholic background' to one or two countries, in the same way that Spain and France were IRL. That is, probable DotF. I'm thinking about Sicily for one, and Savoy for two.

But back on the Rest of the World :

That said... My old idea for China was to split it up into two spheres of influence: an old Jin Empire successor state, backwards and fragile, sprawling across the north, and a large Chinese-ruled state to the south, wracked by economic weakness, rebellion, and the incompetent remnants of the Sung dynasty. On the fringes would be several smaller states that could possibly grow to power: a neo-Confucianist state, narrowminded but rich and militarily strong, led by the heirs of Zhu Yuanzhang; a Buddhist state, more innovative but a little smaller and poorer, led by an ancient family of nobles from Southwest China; a merchant state kind of like the Hansa, perhaps turning into a republic at some point; and some kind of Mongol state in the west, also fragile and backward, and sprawling across the steppe and Tibet.

Yes, interesting, and with varying policies/religions it's even better. This gives much more possibilities for dynamic changes during the game, and more different options to explore for the players.
The merchant state could maybe receive some explorers (and/or conquistadors), or at least get the possibility to receive some. This would at least help fill eastern Siberia.

 

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I am away for a week or two and I see lot of strange people taking over.

Nah, just kidding.

I think Leader's most important things to do are:

A) Gather all things accepted and update the version
B) Look at all things created with critical eye and tweak them if necessary
C) Point out if a country needs something and ask for people to do it

Then, I think that people should not go and ask questions "May I do things?", but instead "Would thing like this be ok?" and "What do you like this things I made?".

Regarding what to do, there is still room for improvement in Europe too, mostly with countries that have few or none events for 18th century. For example Burgundy has no events past 1620. Some events (though not overloads of them) makes things more interesting.

 

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Then, I think that people should not go and ask questions "May I do things?", but instead "Would thing like this be ok?" and "What do you like this things I made?".

Okay, then. Let me be first. I would like to start Aberrating China/Manchuria and Korea, once we've reached a consensus on what we want to do there.

 

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I am away for a week or two and I see lot of strange people taking over.

Nah, just kidding.

I think Leader's most important things to do are:

A) Gather all things accepted and update the version
B) Look at all things created with critical eye and tweak them if necessary
C) Point out if a country needs something and ask for people to do it

Then, I think that people should not go and ask questions "May I do things?", but instead "Would thing like this be ok?" and "What do you like this things I made?".

Noted.

Regarding what to do, there is still room for improvement in Europe too, mostly with countries that have few or none events for 18th century. For example Burgundy has no events past 1620. Some events (though not overloads of them) makes things more interesting.

Yes, off course. I'm a great lover of events myself. Focusing on the Rest of the World is just something that has to be done, but it doesn't mean we let Europe down.

Okay, then. Let me be first. I would like to start Aberrating China/Manchuria and Korea, once we've reached a consensus on what we want to do there.

Yes, feel free to start another thread, I haven't seen people disagreeing on 'splitting up the Empire of the Middle'.

 

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Noted.


Yes, off course. I'm a great lover of events myself. Focusing on the Rest of the World is just something that has to be done, but it doesn't mean we let Europe down.


Yes, feel free to start another thread, I haven't seen people disagreeing on 'splitting up the Empire of the Middle'.

One thing that maybe should be looked at is trying to set up a little bit of a determinist outcome in Europe then was done before. I know the main reason why we did not do this before is because archduke was VERY opposed to set conflicts and trying to push countries one way or the other, but I believe that ended up with a little bit of unflushed out feel for some countries events. Most countries have little or no events starting around 1600 and there are almost none in the 1700. The only country that seems to have a well thought out event file that makes it feel like you are playing a nation that goes though its ups and downs is Byzantium. I would love to have seen several countries that ended up with an event file like this (although I have to admit, the event file for the empire is virtually imposable to follow now without all the ids in fount of you.) cause the country goes though hard times and good times. Unfortunately, event files like this would mean a little more of set path for a country, however, I think that it might improve the overall game play if we do. I am not saying force a country to go one route, just saying maybe make it a little easier to go one way then other. Sorry if I stepped on any shoes with this, just the way I see it.

Some other things I would like to see added to Europe:
1. Some sort of French war where one of the nations tries and make a grap for the old French crown, you really think that this would not have happened at some point in RL.

2. Bavaria and the league come to blows over German and Dutch lands, especially is the league gets Cologne.

3. This might be bought in with a war of religion of Catholics vs reformed, although as I said earlier, not much in the way of major Catholics out there that survive every time.

Obviously these are major events, but figured while we are looking at everything, why not toss it out there.


I would also like to start a thread on India and maybe make some suggestions about what we could do there:

1. A sort of HRE type area where we have a dozen or so city states all fighting with each other for supremacy and where one comes out on top most of the time though fate, and events. (Prussia type deal)

2. A 3 state triumvirate, each with a different religion and advantage. This really depends on if we want to push Islam into India still.

3. A large bloated state that controls most if not all of India. It then quickly disintegrates (think Timmerans) before rising back up to retake "their" land. Later, they can have cultural problems.

Let me know what you think.

 

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1. Some sort of French war where one of the nations tries and make a grap for the old French crown, you really think that this would not have happened at some point in RL.

epo_gau has something like this.

I agree that we should have a bit more of a set path - just not something which forces you.

 

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The Khaliphate does not have enough events in my opinion, even her present events are a bit "bare" , well thats how I see it, we should revise it in my opinion.

 

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In many ways, the Kaliphate has a better event set than most. It has that fairly complex event string with the KoJ, and it gets a few interesting ones later. The only thing I'd really like to see is events that actually hurt the Kaliphate. I have never seen the Kaliphate lose to the mamelukes, ukraine, or byzantium....it's quite overpowered and none of the local nations have much of a chance against them. It very much so needs a competent enemy to the east, and maybe a few bad events to mess them up in the 15th and 16th centuries.

Anyways, on the topic at hand. Other nations really need to have more events programmed first. I think of Sicily, Savoy, Burgundy, Bavaria, TO, UoK, and Hungary here....these nations are quite important but their event files are largely just flavor. They need some more serious events, and while flavor events are interesting, they just don't pull interest like event sequences and the like. We should start a "things to do thread"....we are quite unorganized atm.

 

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Well I was taling about a tad bit more emphesis on different events.You cant just limit it to reforms and shia unrest and say thats it.There should be a reniassance, a power struggle within the Khaliphate, expansion of the Mopsues, eredicating the shia, the capture of Costantinople......etc Its not Enough! *cries*

 

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we are quite unorganized atm.

Yes, indeed.

Fixing it.

 

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epo_gau has something like this.

I am talking more about say at some point Burgundy (I only really see them doing this although Savory might too) takes a certain portion of France (half or 2/3rds), that it decides to attempt to reclaim the title of King of the Franks that was lost in the 4th crusade. This of course would set off a reaction event in Savory, Brittany, and maybe even Genoa (would not like a united France on its border) and Grenada (same as Genoa). You could make it an event with

A. Yes, lets reclaim what is ours.
- gain cores on all French lands
- Up land, offensive and maybe some troops
- Hit to stab, innovation, relations, and maybe some RR
- Several Reaction events from several other nearby countries

B. Let us stay as we are.
- Ups Sab, innovation, relations, maybe some infrastructure investment
(spending money meant for troops else where)
-loses the chance to gain alot of cores

We might also want to write in an event sequence where you can pick an ally to call on to help you, for a price of course

A. Ask the League for help (in exchange for increased Trade rights)
- large decrease in trade investment
- league would get a good investment in trade (maybe a manu) and
decrease in money and troops (give them a yes or no option)

B. Barvia (Come up with something they can help them out with, land
investment maybe)

C Grenada (deal with the devil, offer section of southern France to them for help, maybe more then any other state) maybe even an event later from this one where you can renig on your deal later on.

D. Go it alone (No help, but no cost either)

Well I was taling about a tad bit more emphesis on different events.You cant just limit it to reforms and shia unrest and say thats it.There should be a reniassance, a power struggle within the Khaliphate, expansion of the Mopsues, eredicating the shia, the capture of Costantinople......etc Its not Enough! *cries*

This is the type of stuff I am talking about. Make it feel like you are playing a real nation where you have good times and bad times, and maybe when you think you are having a good time, bam, bad stuff starts to happen.

 

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Epo_gau events can already give any of the three cores on whole France...

 

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Epo_gau events can already give any of the three cores on whole France...

Not in the areas already owned by the other countries in France. That only gives cores in southwest France, I am talking all of France.

 

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Not in the areas already owned by the other countries in France. That only gives cores in southwest France, I am talking all of France.

Ah you are correct. Then again, I don't think that any of these three countries need additional boost, as they are rather powerful already. This mod needs to serve the needs of MP as well as SP. Giving too much boost for one country is bad for that goal.

 

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I'd be interested in that. It could be done as events for anyone who owns x provinces, rather than a specific country.

I'd also be interested in an event sequence for a France that stayed broken (Burgundy is trying to put together Lothairingia, England has a few enclaves in the north, the south has fallen to Burgundy, Savoy, Auvergne, possibly Aragon, and an English-aligned Aquitaine, while "France" as such opposes Brittany and Bourbonnais). They could each be bringing in Spanish or Imperial help, Auvergne could have a "go Reformed?" sequence, the Dutch could have an "appeal to France/England/Habsburgs/no one" for help in revolting from Burgundy, Brittany could have a "turn to the sea/stay on the land" sequence where it might make peace with France and Bourbonnais and become a colonial power...it'd be like Germany in our history.

 

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Ah you are correct. Then again, I don't think that any of these three countries need additional boost, as they are rather powerful already. This mod needs to serve the needs of MP as well as SP. Giving too much boost for one country is bad for that goal.

All countries could get their boost. And in the other mods (except IES), countries are greatly variable in their possibilities, yet it doesn't deter players to play.

An alternative possibility is to have event files that would only be loaded for SP games. This would give the possibility to be really creative with our new events, but keeping the possibility for the MPers to continue to have a somewhat balanced game.

Not all new events need to be SP-only tough, and even a sequence to reclaim the Crown of France (but I'm in disfavor of changing tags, at least not to old majors tag : they failed to survive, that's it), such a sequence could have bad consequences (such as CBs given to all neighbours). Moreover, I don't think MP-players would let Burgundy reclaim France without a fight (the same way I doubt they would let Spain conquer north africa and colonize all Africa for the manpower).

 

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[Medicine Man]

Before school dragged me away from the project for a month and a bit I promised Archduke that I would finish up development on a number of the Aberration countries (Tuscany, Sicily, Papal States, Teutonic Order, some KoJ ideas as well). These are promises I would like to make good on in the next month or two.

Is it alright if I continue to carry the responsibility for these nations? If so, whom do I submit new events and ideas to?

 

[tombom]

Before school dragged me away from the project for a month and a bit I promised Archduke that I would finish up development on a number of the Aberration countries (Tuscany, Sicily, Papal States, Teutonic Order, some KoJ ideas as well). These are promises I would like to make good on in the next month or two.

Is it alright if I continue to carry the responsibility for these nations? If so, whom do I submit new events and ideas to?

That would be more than OK. You should probably submit them to lawkeeper, he has said he will do the organising.

 

[TheArchduke]

Guys, just so you know, I will still contribute and help if I can, but can't commit the time for a full fledged implentation/bug reporting/scripting like before.

And lawkeeper, thanks for the effort till now, appreciated.