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Forwe

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As in title, is it possible to somehow restrict it, or make it require higher opinion? I've been playing as the Mazdaki count of Eshafan?(Persia Capital, no idea how it's called)on the first bookmark, and I've been checking out how the Bavandids are faring. I clicked him, saw that he was a zealous zoroastrian man, with about +15 opinion of Caliph, and yet he allowed the caliph to force heritage focus(and so, Bedouin culture and Sunni religion) on his firstborn son and only heir.
 
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At least the council mechanics mostly work well though... So far the only issue I have was I granted someone land and they immediately wanted a spot on the council, which they got. For some reason they immediately decided to select the stance where they oppose everything I try to do for no reason whatsoever..... And then convinced two thirds of my loyal council to vote against me for about two years in exchange for a favor to each of them. Once I realized this guy was repaying my generosity by essentially blocking everything I wanted to do, he very quickly found himself dead.... Either way, the childhood Heritage Focus and the way favors work when they shouldn't ("this guy I barely know is asking me to backstab my liege and friend for two years and says he'll owe me if I do so. Of course I'll do it!") are my major complaints.
 
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Insofar as the Heritage Focus goes, it might help if I could understand the problem a bit better. Remember that these systems are as new to me as they are to you. My insight is limited.

Am I to understand that the focus allows a child to take on the culture of his educator, regardless of where he is or what culture the liege has? If so, I'm trying to imagine why any liege would be okay with that.
 
It allows you to try and convert a child to the culture and religion of either their educator or their liege I believe. Considering that a liege can ask their vassal to change their child to the Heritage Focus and have them be the liege's culture and religion when neither parent is, if the child doesn't have to move to the liege's court it's quite possible that agreeing to a request to use that Focus makes it apply the liege's culture and religion as well.
 
So a liege can demand his vassal's children take the Heritage focus so they switch to the liege's culture? I'm not sure what the problem is. I've wanted to do that in many games.
 
I believe it's tied into the favor system as well; if you're a vassal and you owe your liege a favor, they might force you to educate your heir as their religion and culture when you've found a heresy or pagan religion you really like (for instance, you might like the Fraticelli heresy better than mainstream Catholicism since it's easier to vassalize the Fraticelli Pope and then get Crusades against pretty much all of Europe, or you might have been given a chance to convert to the pagan religion of your ancestors, if that was and is still part of this mod since I forget) or forcing you to change to a culture that you're not as fond of for some reason or other (for example, I tend to prefer the English culture in vanilla because of their longbow retinues and make random rulers with that culture in different parts of Europe, but some people might like the Greek culture for the blind/castration decisions). The issue isn't that you and the AI can do this, the issue is that it's potentially far easier than it is to demand a religious conversion and with the tie-in to the favor system it's entirely possible for you to be forced to give up a culture or religion-related advantage and, if you're a count who was ruling a county with the same culture and religion as your current character, you'll be playing with the constant threat of religious and cultural uprisings from your heir onwards until you convert the county's religion, then you have to hope the county's culture switches over as well.
 
It isn't a problem that a liege can demand his vassal's children to take liege's culture, the problem is that a zealous infidel vassal of said liege will accept his firstborn child and heir getting educated with a foreign religion and culture
 
Does anyone know where the event/decision that does this is located?

Looking through the files, I can see the ask_wards_liege_to_allow_culture_religion_swap decision...but that appears to be used on a child who is in the ruler's court, so either they are the guardian or their liege. That wouldn't be something I could see them using to force anything on their vassal, not unless they were already educating their heir (or unless Conclave suddenly meant all children in your realm ended up in your court...which I don't think is the case?).
 
Hmm, I've noticed something. Bavandid was at that time the caliph's marshall I think, and when I've checked with charinfo on, both him and his sons had "Caliph Al'mutaz" as Host... Maybe it's because of that?
 
Forwe said:
Hmm, I've noticed something. Bavandid was at that time the caliph's marshall I think, and when I've checked with charinfo on, both him and his sons had "Caliph Al'mutaz" as Host... Maybe it's because of that?
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That would do it. ask_wards_liege_to_allow_culture_religion_swap may be used on any child where the ruler is the host -- and I suppose since councillors are courtiers to the ruler, that would mean their children are, as well.

If that's the case, then what I probably need to look at is the acceptance criteria. Currently the AI always accepts the request to chance focus...which likely shouldn't be the case.
 
I just checked, as my character is also a councillor of Caliph, and I think that's because of it. I swapped to caliph, and I could ask my character to change my child's focus to heritage, and when I checked with charinfo, both my previous character(the councillor) and his child had caliph whats-his-name as their host.

Oh, and btw, sorry for asking here, but is there any band-aid fix I could use to fix that Khorramdin Rebellion event?
 
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I just checked, as my character is also a councillor of Caliph, and I think that's because of it. I swapped to caliph, and I could ask my character to change my child's focus to heritage, and when I checked with charinfo, both my previous character(the councillor) and his child had caliph whats-his-name as their host.
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Excellent. That gives me enough to work from, thanks.

Oh, and btw, sorry for asking here, but is there any band-aid fix I could use to fix that Khorramdin Rebellion event?
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No. I haven't looked into it yet, as I'm traveling, but I suspect the answer is either removing the event or something more significant.
 
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Looking through the files, I can see the ask_wards_liege_to_allow_culture_religion_swap decision...but that appears to be used on a child who is in the ruler's court, so either they are the guardian or their liege. That wouldn't be something I could see them using to force anything on their vassal, not unless they were already educating their heir (or unless Conclave suddenly meant all children in your realm ended up in your court...which I don't think is the case?).
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That reminds me. If another ruler owes you a favor you can call it in to tutor their heir..... And then potentially have the other ruler allow you to use the Heritage Focus to educate them to be your culture and religion, which has interesting results that puts the entire system back into the "things Paradox didn't really think through" category. If the current Sunni Caliph has only a young son and no other male family members for instance, you could buy a favor from the Caliph as the Holy Roman Emperor and then use it to tutor the future Caliph, then potentially convince the Caliph to let you make his son and future Caliph a Catholic with German culture.
 
There is no event or decision I can find, with regards to using a favor in order to tutor a child. I assume it must be a hard-coded diplo-action.
 
I've only done it once in vanilla after arranging a matrilinial bethrothal between my daughter and heir and Charlemange's son Pepin (I don't know why Charlemange was fine with that either btw). I decided to see if I could tutor Pepin myself once I realized I could request children be given the Heritage Focus and decided to buy a favor from him. Turns out that if a character owes you a favor there's an icon in the window when you select a diplomacy action that lets you force it down their throat in exchange for the favor. I say it like that because that's basically how it works right now.
 
Well, I seem to have found something about this focus. There's this decision ask_wards_liege_to_allow_culture_religion_swap in "ze_decisions" file, and I guess the work-around could be to just disallow using it on zealous infidels/heathens(or just generally people with for example less than 0 opinion), seeing as we can't really modify the criteria for accepting(or rather, make them not ALWAYS accept it, I've checked it once, and a zealous muslim with -100 opinion of me allowed me to educate his heir to catholicism and french culture :d)
 
Yeah, I didn't realize exactly how broken that part of it is, but that might be because Paradox figured since you would only be tutoring your children, children of vassals, or children of rulers that owed you a favor and had no choice in the matter, it would make sense.....
 
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