hmm.... was disturbing and interesting, will try to carve out a tory from the session and the images and post it to here as a mini-aar 
i enjoyed the game, but i guess many didn't
i enjoyed the game, but i guess many didn't
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Er... well I kind of had a power outage towards the end of the game, so I hope smowz managed to save it! was defending my territory from barbarian invasions, and building my slave mercenary empire!
was defending my territory from barbarian invasions, and building my slave mercenary empire!
i have a save from march 14, 506panther-anthro said:Er... well I kind of had a power outage towards the end of the game, so I hope smowz managed to save it!
made a save after i lost conn to server
btw, i just became much more civilized, i reached 50%, my primary goal for the session
I had 50 badboy, my goal for the session ;P because I Knew we were majority players, you know what mass bad boy with mostly players does? ;p BRING ON THE BARBARIAN SLAVE TRAIN I want to have 300 slaves, to fuel the coffers of Macedonia!
I want to have 300 slaves, to fuel the coffers of Macedonia!
I was a little confused at the end there as to what happened and then I recalled what happens in the US from time to time - the dreaded power outage. Things were a little manic in that session though I would certainly imagine this campaign has legs and once again reaffirms for whatever reason the game seems to run very smoothly in MP.
I think we are as ever a little vague on some of the ground rules regarding some of the issues that crop up in MP gaming. This is understandable as we are all pioneers of a new game.
I have found it best to have a rehost policy, i.e. something like rehost for first time drop or something like that. Sometimes players wish to communicate with dropped player first - which is okay as long as that player is contactable. In hindsight (always a wonderful thing) I feel somewhat guilty for not encouraging a rehost for skinner when he dropped towards the end there. I was a little busy with my gameplay to give it much thought at the time.
Re Skinner's in game situation, well its up to you, but i hope you can come back next week as either your rebel faction or the Seleucid proper and try to restore the empire to its former glories. It will be difficult with an ambitious Pontus and a strong Egypt by you - a nice challenge.
Anyhow, here is a roster from what i recall
Jorian - Lusitiana
Panthar - Macedonia
Nimic - Carthage
Varam - Egypt
Smowz - Rome
Khul Drago - Pontus
Skinner - Seleucid Empire
(Sirrus as the now defunct Bosphurus Kingdom)
I also attached a save I made at panthers power outage:
I think we are as ever a little vague on some of the ground rules regarding some of the issues that crop up in MP gaming. This is understandable as we are all pioneers of a new game.
I have found it best to have a rehost policy, i.e. something like rehost for first time drop or something like that. Sometimes players wish to communicate with dropped player first - which is okay as long as that player is contactable. In hindsight (always a wonderful thing) I feel somewhat guilty for not encouraging a rehost for skinner when he dropped towards the end there. I was a little busy with my gameplay to give it much thought at the time.
Re Skinner's in game situation, well its up to you, but i hope you can come back next week as either your rebel faction or the Seleucid proper and try to restore the empire to its former glories. It will be difficult with an ambitious Pontus and a strong Egypt by you - a nice challenge.
Anyhow, here is a roster from what i recall
Jorian - Lusitiana
Panthar - Macedonia
Nimic - Carthage
Varam - Egypt
Smowz - Rome
Khul Drago - Pontus
Skinner - Seleucid Empire
(Sirrus as the now defunct Bosphurus Kingdom)
I also attached a save I made at panthers power outage:
i am on my way to create the aar, but i want to show something first:
as you can see the rebels became a superpower, no wonder he had no chances, adding to the techdifference, also rememberSkinner had his first MP game ... as seleucs
I would say he needs some compensation as this was not his failure, but i agree that the other players use the opportunities of his civil war fairly, so they can't be blamed, but i still hope they do agree that having a player bashed by 11 lvl tech rebels was kinda unfair for him, so maybe some reparations could be agreed on, including the elimination of rebel faction, and giving him back some lands
please try to get yourself in his shoes before you say nay, as it could be next time you get a civil war with overpowered rebels
my suggestion:
while Skinner might deserve a correction, the others (pontus and egypt) also need to be compensated somewhat if they are willing to give lands back
this means pontus would lose a province, for that he could get 1 or 2 provinces from asia minor, egypt would give back parts of the conquered region to seleucids that connects his mainland to asia minor holdings, for that he would get Lydia and arabia as compensation
on the top of that, Seleucs would agree to end the claims on all the lost lands to Pontus and Egypt (losing its cores)
this is only possible if all the 3 players can agree ofcourse
the finishing reparation for seleucids could be the chance to choose a new capitol position from the current one (Cappadocia), the one of the rebels (Ariabene), or one of the two historical capitols (Seleucia, Antioch)
this way the seleucids would become again playable, especially if he starts to do some DIPLOMACY with its neighbours, or better said all the players
otherwise the two remaining powerfull factions of Pontus and Egyp would gobble the remains of Seleucids up (well, even being AI, thesuperrebels-turnedoutvictotius-faction would still make a huge headache for them), then focus on eachothers throats...
also i want to suggest an addon to the mod we use, one that changes the teching speed of the rebel factions from current one to zero (meaning they use the techs that the 'motherland' had before they appeared)
as you can see the rebels became a superpower, no wonder he had no chances, adding to the techdifference, also rememberSkinner had his first MP game ... as seleucs
I would say he needs some compensation as this was not his failure, but i agree that the other players use the opportunities of his civil war fairly, so they can't be blamed, but i still hope they do agree that having a player bashed by 11 lvl tech rebels was kinda unfair for him, so maybe some reparations could be agreed on, including the elimination of rebel faction, and giving him back some lands
please try to get yourself in his shoes before you say nay, as it could be next time you get a civil war with overpowered rebels
my suggestion:
while Skinner might deserve a correction, the others (pontus and egypt) also need to be compensated somewhat if they are willing to give lands back
this means pontus would lose a province, for that he could get 1 or 2 provinces from asia minor, egypt would give back parts of the conquered region to seleucids that connects his mainland to asia minor holdings, for that he would get Lydia and arabia as compensation
on the top of that, Seleucs would agree to end the claims on all the lost lands to Pontus and Egypt (losing its cores)
this is only possible if all the 3 players can agree ofcourse
the finishing reparation for seleucids could be the chance to choose a new capitol position from the current one (Cappadocia), the one of the rebels (Ariabene), or one of the two historical capitols (Seleucia, Antioch)
this way the seleucids would become again playable, especially if he starts to do some DIPLOMACY with its neighbours, or better said all the players
otherwise the two remaining powerfull factions of Pontus and Egyp would gobble the remains of Seleucids up (well, even being AI, thesuperrebels-turnedoutvictotius-faction would still make a huge headache for them), then focus on eachothers throats...
also i want to suggest an addon to the mod we use, one that changes the teching speed of the rebel factions from current one to zero (meaning they use the techs that the 'motherland' had before they appeared)
jorian said:i am on my way to create the aar, but i want to show something first:
Interesting what happens when the rebels are allowed to survive as long. I thought however once the rebellion wins or in fact loses whatever happens it refers back to the original country.
jorian said:
The game is what 10 days old, so the 'excuse' that this is skinners first MP game as Seleucid is somewhat invalid. The Seleucids look a difficult animal to control to be sure but all the majors have their own difficulties. Besides Skinner has been an active player in the EU3 MP community for a while and besides the best way to learn is not to 'compensate for losses'- it is to get back on the bike and ride again.
jorian said:
I would suggest strongly to panther that we do NOT make any add ons to the mod.
I would also be firmly AGAINST making any of these suggested (or any further so-called flavor or 'balancing') edits to the save-file.
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The emerging civilization: The tribe of Lusitani
It was the year 0, when the Lucitan calendars originate from, where the begin of the era of culture and philosophy started, when the Mandonid dynasty became the ruling one, and Olissipo was declared the capital settlement.
Mandonius Mandonid was a child of a noble, but also of a merchant family, as a child he traveled on the Sea along his father, sailing the only big ship the tribe ever had, visiting great cities like Carthage, Rome, and even the far away Antioch.
He was a clever man, and soon became interested in the teachings of the romans and greeks, the tales of carthagian sailors, the wonders of modern architecture.
When he became the Chief, he planned to introduce all the knowledge he found to the simple minds of the common people ofthe tribe... this was his greatest asset but also his weakness.
He started merchant ventures through the lands to Rome, where the romans (while being suprised about the iberian carawans from the alps) happily accepted the trained war horses of the Lucitani, in exchange for equisite roman wine,and he created a small merchant navy to venture to the carthagians, to trade salt for grain.
As time moved on, he forced the tribe to become more and more influenced by the easern powers. Visitors from foreign lands, unknown technologies, new clothes, food and wine were welcomed by many, but also opposed by some.
Lucitani became for three times tribute payers to Carthage, in exchange for friendship and support. The less civilized and unsettled tribes were a headache for Mandonius Mandonid, just as the two other tribes on the peninsula were a threat to peace. While Mandonius didn't like war, he was in fact a great leader if he needed to become one, so he waited for the best moment, then declared war on the other two tribes, with support of the valiant carthagian troops...but the plan was not entirelly perfect, using the turmoils the unsettled tribes started to march all over iberia and besieged carthagian and lusitani settlements countless times.
After long onslaughts of barbarians, the old city of Lucitani, the origin of the tribe, fell to them and was plundered. (kicking the province back to stone age, and all the civilization efforts were for nothing there)
Before this, Ollisipo was already greater than the old city, and after the pillage of Lucitani it was evident that the new capitol and centrum of trade for the tribe was truly Ollisipo.
Two months after the retaking of the lost city, the united armies of the allied carthagian and lusitani finally arrived and besieged the Vaccaei capitol.
From time to time, wise learned men came to Olissipo and supported the goal of a learned culture of Mandonius with their teachings, they, together with the active roman and carthagin trade improved the literacy and civilization of the 'New City'. Mandonius allowed the settling of other tribes into his realms, while this was bad for the cultural goals he had, it did increase population.
This however was not to the liking of the druids and other noblemen, too many foreign influence, too many new shrines for their gods, and too much wealth focused in the hands of the Mandonid family.
A cunning man called Arganthonios, from the Audaxid family took the chance, and gathered supporters against the Mandonids, he was favoured by the poor people of the old city of Lucitani, who envied the greatness of the new city, he also had support of a small group of nobles, and the power of the druids behind him.
He led the 'Short Audaxid Rebellion' proclaiming Lucitani the true capitol of the Lusitani, but he was a bad strategist: the troops of the victorius tribal conquests just arrived home, and thus they easily defeated the rebel leader.
Arganthonios managed to flee from captivity, but he lost his clear senses from the total defeat. He became a madman with phantasies about a druidic empire, where he was the 'Druid King'. (sorry folks, forgot to take screenie from the civil war)
Three years after the rebellion, Ollisipo became a prospering city, full with new buildings like a library or school.
Chief Mandonius teached his sons in the arts of war and philosophy, the youngest son, Cesarus Mandonid had great talent in them, and was also a charismatic leader, thus Mandonius decided to choose him as the next Chief of the tribe. Times of peace came, while Ollisipo became the haven of iberian culture, Mandonius didn't realize that 'Mad Arganthonios' became more popular in the tribe, he was too trusting, so it was no suprise to anyone (except himself) that he was poisoned...
As the Mandonids lost support in the tribe, and the elder son of Mandonius was murdered aswell, young Cesarus left Lucitani, and found a new supporter in exile: The dictator of Carthage, Hannibal
He soon became the General of the 3rd Carthagian Army, and followed the news from home, where Arganthonios was crowned 'Druidic Emperor of the Lucitani' (yes, he did change the tribe's name to that of the old city)
The Mad Druid tried to make the people forget of the Mandonids, but many use the new calendar already, and much more converted to the roman or carthagian faith.
It is unknown what will happen with the Lucitani, will they disappear because the diongs of the mad ruler? Will the last Mandonid come back with a carthagian army to take contoll of the tribe? Will the druids loose even more followers, and if yes: will Lucitani turn to the roman or carthagian gods?
You will get the answer it the next episode, stay tuned!
the restored Seleucid Empire will have the techs of the faction that won, thus if the rebels win it will have lvl11 in everythingSmowz said:
EDIT: as far i know
your opinion is listened to aswell, but ofcourse this is for the GM and the involved nations/players to decide, and these are just some possibilities i could think ofSmowz said:
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jorian said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen a few countries with silly techs after the rebels won. This doesn't seem to happen with the technology fix, though.
I might do a small AAR, but it wasn't a great session by me. Those bastard-sons Romans somehow managed to take Syracuse from Epirus before I got the chance (I was loading the army off the ships!). And then of course nothing was in the way of Rome attacking the rest of Sicily.
Edit: My favorite excuse this year will be that I never played any EU3 MP, and only some EU2 MP with a set group.
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Jorian, with small modifications, that would be acceptable for me, but since Egypt is firmly against - honestly, as i probably would be in his shoes aswell - i will vote against the proposition.
By the way, my name is Khal Drogo, not Khul Drago, or other derivatives
Nice little AAR, too bad you didn't open a topic for the game in the AAR section though.
By the way, my name is Khal Drogo, not Khul Drago, or other derivatives
Nice little AAR, too bad you didn't open a topic for the game in the AAR section though.
umm, as far i know Varam is the Queen of Egypt, and i don't see a response from her yetKhal Drogo said:
EDIT: Smowz is Rome, so you might be mistaken because of his 'naying'
if i mistyped your name somewhere, then sorryKhal Drogo said:By the way, my name is Khal Drogo, not Khul Drago, or other derivatives
i am not sure how many times i could write an aar, so better not, but thanks anywayKhal Drogo said:
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i Would agree to thatjorian said:i am on my way to create the aar, but i want to show something first:
as you can see the rebels became a superpower, no wonder he had no chances, adding to the techdifference, also rememberSkinner had his first MP game ... as seleucs
I would say he needs some compensation as this was not his failure, but i agree that the other players use the opportunities of his civil war fairly, so they can't be blamed, but i still hope they do agree that having a player bashed by 11 lvl tech rebels was kinda unfair for him, so maybe some reparations could be agreed on, including the elimination of rebel faction, and giving him back some lands
please try to get yourself in his shoes before you say nay, as it could be next time you get a civil war with overpowered rebels
my suggestion:
while Skinner might deserve a correction, the others (pontus and egypt) also need to be compensated somewhat if they are willing to give lands back
this means pontus would lose a province, for that he could get 1 or 2 provinces from asia minor, egypt would give back parts of the conquered region to seleucids that connects his mainland to asia minor holdings, for that he would get Lydia and arabia as compensation
on the top of that, Seleucs would agree to end the claims on all the lost lands to Pontus and Egypt (losing its cores)
this is only possible if all the 3 players can agree ofcourse
the finishing reparation for seleucids could be the chance to choose a new capitol position from the current one (Cappadocia), the one of the rebels (Ariabene), or one of the two historical capitols (Seleucia, Antioch)
this way the seleucids would become again playable, especially if he starts to do some DIPLOMACY with its neighbours, or better said all the players
otherwise the two remaining powerfull factions of Pontus and Egyp would gobble the remains of Seleucids up (well, even being AI, thesuperrebels-turnedoutvictotius-faction would still make a huge headache for them), then focus on eachothers throats...
also i want to suggest an addon to the mod we use, one that changes the teching speed of the rebel factions from current one to zero (meaning they use the techs that the 'motherland' had before they appeared)
I'm not sure I understand why the situation with the Seleucids necessitates editing the game's save, but I took the provinces I did for a (fairly obvious, I think) reason. I'm not going to agree to give them up unless I'm forced to.
well this means the idea is vetoed, sorry skinnerVaram said:
and varam: i will carefully watch your possible future civil war, and see how you manage with your own egyptian super rebels
no worriesKhal Drogo said:Sorry, Jorian, many people are in multiple games, i probably confused them.
Skinner going afk for almost a hour, kind of screwed himself, hey I'm not complaining about fighting hundreds of barbarians. Mmmm money, lots and lots of money...
On a related note, I'm easily the weakest in tech, from rapid expanding, far beyond what should be macedonia's territory at the time =X. My badboy is around 45 now, I think, and the AI gave up on sending assassins etc, which there were only minors so that's why I did it. Anyway, I did learn something, having a super high badboy drags all barbarians to you ;p. Which means I can probably get around 300 slaves before my badboy is normal, giving me a super economy =D
On a related note, I'm easily the weakest in tech, from rapid expanding, far beyond what should be macedonia's territory at the time =X. My badboy is around 45 now, I think, and the AI gave up on sending assassins etc, which there were only minors so that's why I did it. Anyway, I did learn something, having a super high badboy drags all barbarians to you ;p. Which means I can probably get around 300 slaves before my badboy is normal, giving me a super economy =D
My game really sucked. On day one my nice neighbours decided it was something wrong with my leadership and decided to dow me. So I ended up in a ping pong battle where my armies was slowly crushed. At the same time some nice barbarians knocked on my western door, and decided to take over my entire country. After that my game was pretty much done for. with no manpower and nor manpower regeneration my situation was completely hopeless. Gained 2 mp a month so it would have taken me 50 years to recruit a single unit. Not worth it. You guys continue your game and good luck.