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Birger Jarl said:
Yeah, now it works. :)

Oh no, another rider on a horse... :wacko:

;)

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Do you have the source for that?

http://www.heraldicum.narod.ru/belarus/subjects/towns/polock.htm

There, the second one. The lower half of 1781 arms is quoted by contemporary source to be "the ancient arms". The same rider appears on other arms of Polotsk region, only usually on red. Don't know the exact source of first appearance. As for the riders, the kingdom of Lithuania is usually quite reluctant to appear in CK, so this guy seems to be almost unique. Well, he's got no spear and serpent, after all... :rolleyes:

And here's the promised Tmutarakan.
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WH, your beautiful coas have all gone.

To tell the truth, my old PC broke and all coas that I had collected were lost. :(
Would you please pack and upload them again?

Thank you.
 
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Walter Hawkwood said:
Don't like to use arms of Polish nature for Russian provinces - hence didn't use the two headed eagle. The seal-arms is the thing I don't like too, there's stock Tmutarakan for example. I did some more searching on Polotsk and found another arms, presumably more ancient than the ship of the same Polish period. Not posting links, as all the search is done in ru.net.

Polotsk corrected
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Will show in the first post too.
You are mistaken, my friend. The earlier CoA is a genuine Lithuanian emblem, very similar to the Pales of Gediminas, the original coat of arms of Lithuania (much older than the Vytis):
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As such it is not Polish whatsoever. The other one is not Polish either since there are no double-headed eagles in Polish heraldic traditions. It is most probably of Byzantine descent.
Cheers