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megaspider01

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Could you please make Scottish a part of the Celtic group and English a part of, idk, German. It's irretating and wierd to play as Scotland and not accept your irish/welsh brothers and vice versa.
To avoid culture conversion you could make GB into a celtic union able to be formed by England, then England would accept Irish, Welsh and Scotish as they sort of did throughout history (Ireland got some shit, ik).
 
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The last thing we need is the German group to get even larger than it already is, let alone with the culture of a major power.

Also, I'm very not versed in this area's history, but, at the risk of pissing off some British folk, isn't South Scottish more close to English than it is to the Celts, and South Scotland was the area that actually grew during the period, not North Scotland?
 
Maybe they should rename Scottish to Scots and change the northen provinces of Scotland to Gaelic, Scots would be in the British group while Gaelic would be in the Celtic. Idk which one Scotland would have as main but both would be accepted. Here's a map over the two languages in medieval Scotland: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gaelic1400Loch.png (Scots is yellow, Gaelic is blue)
 
Yeah, I think the celtic culture group doesn't really work in EUIV like it did in CK2. Maybe just make an Islander culture group with Irish, Welsh, Scottish, English.

As for integrating English into German, that is a definate no. What we really need is south vs north german or something. There was no yodeling in Prussia!
 
1. German was just a proposal
2. With Gaelic and Scots we could keep the British group
 
Perhaps Scotland could start with its culture in the Celtic group, but an English-controlled GB would be able to take decisions to bring the Scottish culture more in line with Anglo-Saxon, like what happened in the 18th century. There could be an event chain that adds unrest to Scottish provinces (representing the Jacobite rebellions) but eventually changing Scottish from Celtic to British, or if you can't do that, changing the culture from Gaelic (Celtic) to Scots (British). I feel this could add more flavour to GB games, and an alternative chain for a Scottish GB could be included too.
 
Looking at linguistic maps over time suggests the Lowland culture was already in the ascendant in 1444.
 
The urban, religious, and political landscapes of Scotland were pretty damn Anglo-Norman by 1444. Scottish belongs in the same group as English. Gaelic for the northern provinces would be fine though.
 
Also if GB culture converted Gaelic they'd instead turn into Scots and not English, I feel that just makes more sense.
 
As noted, the majority of Scots are lowlanders, and Anglo-Saxon, while the inhabitants of the Highlands and Islands were Gaels. Of course there were some weird exceptions, like Galloway being Gaelic until early part of the game period, and Inverness and Caithness being Lowland Scots.

Since it's "culture," not "language," I'd assumed that the idea was that the Scots, like the Bretons (Brythonic and Gallo-Romance) and Silesians (West Slavic and High German), are treated as a culture which transcends linguistic features. Not that I agree with that—the Scots have always distinguished Highlanders and Lowlanders, and I'm not aware of any such distinction in Brittany—but there's still a case to be made for it. Well, the main case is that if Scotland survives as an independent country, it will lose Gaelic as an accepted culture the moment it starts colonizing, and if England eats it as per usual, it will ethnically cleanse the Gaelic areas as quickly as it does with Wales and Ireland.

In a mod I'm working on I added Cornish, Manx, and Highlander as cultures. (Among others. And I split Brythonic: Bretons, Welsh, and Cornish from split off from Gaelic: Irish, Manx, and Highlander, because until people started romanticizing the Celts in the nineteenth century, the two groups had nothing in common aside from a propensity to get conquered while making heroic last stands.) My mod will likely never see the light of day (I started adding provinces and nations wholesale without testing) but the point is that adding cultures and changing the cultures of provinces has to be one of the easiest changes to make, if it bothers you. You edit the culture file, alter the province files, and add Gaelic as an accepted culture in Scotland's file (primary culture if you feel like it) and you're pretty much done.
 
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