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I'm not saying anything, Consul. I leave that to your conscience and sense of roman virtuosity, and ultimately, for the Gods to decide. This law, it is a law for the future, with absolutely no retroactive effects. It empowers the Senate, which is the full embodiment of Roma's power, and the reason we are a great civilization, to the dismay of the sons of Alexander, who came to the Senate of Rome, which can only be interpreted as a sign of respect for our strength and prestige.
Carthage is growing too strong. Remember, senator it will not be only in Gaul that we would end up facing them, we would also face them in Southern Italy, and seeing as they are great sailors, with phoenician blood, our long coastline would be open to raids, and incursions in the heart of the Roman empire. There aren't many options left, still. Egypt will be hard to secure as an ally, while I would prefer it to Macedonia. But that was a mistake I am also responsible for...
Anyway, we could also try to convince Egypt to guarantee Numidia, as a way to slow down Carthaginian expansion, even if they don't want anything with us. They should be more concerned with the safety of their own borders than with Greece, as they have two strong "pincer" powers, that could get them into trouble. I cannot believe they can be so blind to Carthaginian aggressive expansionism, even if it's currently focused on Iberia.
A lot to think about, indeed. Your faithful frater, Quintus Livius Varro.
OOC : And I'm too tired due to university depriving me of my sleep to post anything better...
(A tired looking Gnaeus steps forward. There is a haunted look to him. He glances furtively at the rafters overhead, as if expecting cracks in the roofbeams or crows landing on his head any minute now.)
Patres Conscriptii,
As censor, I have some proposals.
A census of opinion amongst the populace shows the plebians are pleased with Tiberius Belisarius' previous term in the office of consul.
After due consideration of the matter I will make it my first act to propose a celebration in his honour - a parade of the Latium legion led by Aulus Postumius seems to me most appropriate. This will give Lucius Aquila and Gaius Draconius an opportunity to inspect the troops, the public can cheer at Tiberius, and the Pontifex might be able to use the occasion to uplift people's spirits further.
-- Gnaeus Scipio Lentulus
OOC order: Propose reward for Tiberius.
( This is a bit of an experiment. I want to figure out how this office works and the best way is by using it. It would not be appropriate for Gnaius to propose rewarding himself and I don't feel punishing Sextus at this time is appropriate - I can't see a proper RP reason to do it, nor do I have any idea what shape such a thing might take. Therefore..
Note: The parade may not be the most appropriate way, as it apparently was used mostly to celebrate the return of victorious generals. This one should be a bit more restrained, really.
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I'm wondering about the workings of "defensive" alliances. If country X has defensive alliance with country Y, and then attacks country A, defensive ally of country B, logically country B helps country A repel X's invasion. But would country B's involvement be considered an "attack on X", implying that X's defensive ally Y would have to go to war against B? Or, as long as country X attacks one of the other alliance's members, X can't invoke the defensive alliance at all for this specific war?
Okay, a few explanations.
First the reward / punishment system.
If it is used during the term, the reward / punishment is a more or less large sum he receives / pays. The worst punishment possible then is Impeachment. If it is used at the end of the term, the reward / punishment is a gain / loss of prestige and maybe Clients. Worst punishment possible then is Exile (then the player gets a new Character). The popularity (e.g. +1) serves as roll modifier.
Diplomacy. There are four possible Agreements:
- Trade agreement: Possible with the five Independents only.
- NAP: Agreement to not enter each other`s territory. Possible with major NPC-countries only.
- Defense: If one of the two countries A or B within this treaty gets attacked by country C, the other one is supposed to declare war on C. Possible with major NPC-countries only.
- Alliance: If one of the two countries A or B within this treaty gets attacked or attacks a country C, the other one is supposed to declare war on C. Possible with major NPC-countries and Independents.
No. X is the aggressor, so Y is not bound to declare war.
First the reward / punishment system.
If it is used during the term, the reward / punishment is a more or less large sum he receives / pays. The worst punishment possible then is Impeachment. If it is used at the end of the term, the reward / punishment is a gain / loss of prestige and maybe Clients. Worst punishment possible then is Exile (then the player gets a new Character). The popularity (e.g. +1) serves as roll modifier.
Diplomacy. There are four possible Agreements:
- Trade agreement: Possible with the five Independents only.
- NAP: Agreement to not enter each other`s territory. Possible with major NPC-countries only.
- Defense: If one of the two countries A or B within this treaty gets attacked by country C, the other one is supposed to declare war on C. Possible with major NPC-countries only.
- Alliance: If one of the two countries A or B within this treaty gets attacked or attacks a country C, the other one is supposed to declare war on C. Possible with major NPC-countries and Independents.
No. X is the aggressor, so Y is not bound to declare war.
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Ah, I see.
Well, a little parading armies around doesn't hurt much does it?
(I'll leave the order off though. The consul hasn't actually done anything yet this term.)
Fellow Senators,
Since Macedonia's proposal won't help Antigonos if he decides to attack the Greeks, but only if he's attacked, I will vote for his proposal of defensive alliance. As others said, Carthage is potentially the biggest threat, so better be sure that Macedonia can't stab us in the back, but can hit back if Carthage ever allies with some Eastern power and comes after us.
Of course, if the majority of the Senate wants a mere NAP, I'll vote for it as well. I just fear Gonatas might snob us if we refuse the defensive alliance and propose the NAP instead; on the other hand, he might not have the luxury of refusing it, considering his position.
Still, a simple NAP will encourage the others to go after him and destroy Macedonia, which might not be in our interest right now. I'll let you decide.
I will fully support any infrastructure project and any effort to improve the provinces' happiness. On the other hand, I vote against any new recruitment of legions.
I of course am all for annexing Cisalpine Gaul right now.
Now, let's tax some wealthy merchants...
Valete!
Sextus Atilius Aelianus
(Concerning pontifex' reward, can't he reward a current magistrate not for his current job but for his past one in another office?)
Since Macedonia's proposal won't help Antigonos if he decides to attack the Greeks, but only if he's attacked, I will vote for his proposal of defensive alliance. As others said, Carthage is potentially the biggest threat, so better be sure that Macedonia can't stab us in the back, but can hit back if Carthage ever allies with some Eastern power and comes after us.
Of course, if the majority of the Senate wants a mere NAP, I'll vote for it as well. I just fear Gonatas might snob us if we refuse the defensive alliance and propose the NAP instead; on the other hand, he might not have the luxury of refusing it, considering his position.
Still, a simple NAP will encourage the others to go after him and destroy Macedonia, which might not be in our interest right now. I'll let you decide.
I will fully support any infrastructure project and any effort to improve the provinces' happiness. On the other hand, I vote against any new recruitment of legions.
I of course am all for annexing Cisalpine Gaul right now.
Now, let's tax some wealthy merchants...
Valete!
Sextus Atilius Aelianus
(Concerning pontifex' reward, can't he reward a current magistrate not for his current job but for his past one in another office?)
Yes he can. He proposes rewards / punishments for the Officers in the current term. But he also may evaluate the work of the Officers of the last term (but this is only possible in the first turn of the new term, therefore now; consider it as account for their work of the whole term).
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And please keep in mind, that rewards / punishments may only be proposed for people with a nonzero popularity rating.
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Right. In that case, the order to reward Tiberius for his work in the previous term stands.
So, if I understood well, the Pontifex can propose a reward, like a triumph (prestige) to someone that just step out of an office, and can also propose a financial reward someone currently in office. And he's also in charge for prosecution and punishment?
Wait, weren't we talking about the Censor? And, of course, every one of his orders is a proposal to the Senate, right?
My esteemed colleagues
Firstly, I would like to display my respect and admiration for our former Consuls, who exerted all their strength to make Roma stronger, to our former Aedile, especially for his magnificient work on developing a modern road system throughout Italy, and to our former Pontifex Maximus, to whom the Gods smiled upon, as is personal interest in the conditions and well being of the populace in our empire was unflinching.
Thus, I approve our censor's proposal for a military parade, provided costs are kept to a minimum. While it would be arguable that a large parade would uplift roman people, filling them with roman virtuosity, the money involved would be best used in temple building, food and water distribution programmes, and financial support of the one true church.
I favor a ceremony in the Senate halls, followed by a march through Roma, with it's garrison, and Tribune Postumius's Legion, currently stationed in Latium. Such display would focus on our military might, for foreign observers to see, it would boost the legion's morale, and it would slightly boost happiness in Latium, but most importantly, it would keep expenses to a minimum.
Lastly, I am, of course, against the recruiting of new legions or fleets, at the moment, for social reasons. The people is not yet ready to make sacrifices for a large scale conflict, especially one we choose to provoke ourselves. I support the building of Harbours, hoping they will make Rome a more attractive trading hub. I believe our road system is adequate, for the time being, and will only need further expansion after any new conquests.
May the Gods smile upon us,
Quintus Livius Varro
Wait, weren't we talking about the Censor? And, of course, every one of his orders is a proposal to the Senate, right?
My esteemed colleagues
Firstly, I would like to display my respect and admiration for our former Consuls, who exerted all their strength to make Roma stronger, to our former Aedile, especially for his magnificient work on developing a modern road system throughout Italy, and to our former Pontifex Maximus, to whom the Gods smiled upon, as is personal interest in the conditions and well being of the populace in our empire was unflinching.
Thus, I approve our censor's proposal for a military parade, provided costs are kept to a minimum. While it would be arguable that a large parade would uplift roman people, filling them with roman virtuosity, the money involved would be best used in temple building, food and water distribution programmes, and financial support of the one true church.
I favor a ceremony in the Senate halls, followed by a march through Roma, with it's garrison, and Tribune Postumius's Legion, currently stationed in Latium. Such display would focus on our military might, for foreign observers to see, it would boost the legion's morale, and it would slightly boost happiness in Latium, but most importantly, it would keep expenses to a minimum.
Lastly, I am, of course, against the recruiting of new legions or fleets, at the moment, for social reasons. The people is not yet ready to make sacrifices for a large scale conflict, especially one we choose to provoke ourselves. I support the building of Harbours, hoping they will make Rome a more attractive trading hub. I believe our road system is adequate, for the time being, and will only need further expansion after any new conquests.
May the Gods smile upon us,
Quintus Livius Varro
Apparently, historically speaking a Triumph is the celebration of a military victory of a general in the field, by decree of the Senate.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_triumph
However, since I just got lost in wikipedia during my attempt to research the office of the Censor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor), I can't say I'm entirely sure how things worked historically nor if that even applies to this game ;-)
(Right now my to-read list contains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centuriate_Assembly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiate_Assembly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auspice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praetor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcius_Censorinus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperium and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_triumph. Some of them I am halfway through. And then there's a bunch of things I have already read ..)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_triumph
However, since I just got lost in wikipedia during my attempt to research the office of the Censor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor), I can't say I'm entirely sure how things worked historically nor if that even applies to this game ;-)
(Right now my to-read list contains: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centuriate_Assembly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiate_Assembly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auspice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Praetor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcius_Censorinus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperium and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_triumph. Some of them I am halfway through. And then there's a bunch of things I have already read ..)
You can't give a triumph out willy-nilly, you know It was one of the highest honours a citizen could recieve, and giving it out for no military victory is against the spirit and the word of the laws about it. Of course, as randakar pointed out, historical accuracy is up the GM
I cleared my inbox, by the way. Apologies I've not been rping as much as I should.
It was one of the highest honours a citizen could recieve, and giving it out for no military victory is against the spirit and the word of the laws about it. Of course, as randakar pointed out, historical accuracy is up the GM I cleared my inbox, by the way. Apologies I've not been rping as much as I should.
You can't give a triumph out willy-nilly, you know
Myeah, I just read that bit.
I wasn't intending it to be anything big anyway.
Next time I'll try to be a bit more accurate in my RP here. My main problem so far though is that there is a mismatch between what the Censor does historically and what he does in this game. Of the three duties listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_censor only 1 is more or less represented in the role description.
Coinneach said:
You are just in time to lead some armies in a campaign to conquer the Cisalpine Gaul
True - you could try getting the consuls to implement a law or something to update what you can do?
Senators,
I do apologise for my absence from the chamber over the past few months; I suspect it has been to do with a fever most dangerous I caught during a stop-off at Punic Corsica while en route to Massilia. It has been a most distressing issue, and coupled with my personal errands to run has ensured I have been unable to carry out my proper duties as censor. For this I apologise, and for this I shall redouble my efforts in whatever the Senate believes me suitable.
I would therefore accept the Consul's suggestion of myself for leading the conquest of Cisalpine Gaul, should there be sufficient support for it of course. I shall immediately inform my family of this, and prepare to leave for the north at once.
I look forward to serving Rome with as much diligence as the Senate and People of this great city deserve.
A. Manlius Merula
Senators,
I do apologise for my absence from the chamber over the past few months; I suspect it has been to do with a fever most dangerous I caught during a stop-off at Punic Corsica while en route to Massilia. It has been a most distressing issue, and coupled with my personal errands to run has ensured I have been unable to carry out my proper duties as censor. For this I apologise, and for this I shall redouble my efforts in whatever the Senate believes me suitable.
I would therefore accept the Consul's suggestion of myself for leading the conquest of Cisalpine Gaul, should there be sufficient support for it of course. I shall immediately inform my family of this, and prepare to leave for the north at once.
I look forward to serving Rome with as much diligence as the Senate and People of this great city deserve.
A. Manlius Merula
On the topic of new legions:
I propose we name our legions after there home province.
That way we can monitor our legions better and rotate them so all parts of our empire "suffer" equal.
Consul
Lucius Aquila
I propose we name our legions after there home province.
That way we can monitor our legions better and rotate them so all parts of our empire "suffer" equal.
Consul
Lucius Aquila
I, Quintus Livius Varro, agree and support the nomination of A. Manlius Merula, to lead our unstoppable legions and claim land for the glory of Roma.
Also agree with Consul Aquila, our legions should be the cause of joy and pride in our provinces. They will fight harder knowing that their effort entails prestige for their home province.
Your P.M., Quintus Livius Varro
OOC - PM is an obvious reference to Primo Ministrum, as God deserves priority
Also agree with Consul Aquila, our legions should be the cause of joy and pride in our provinces. They will fight harder knowing that their effort entails prestige for their home province.
Your P.M., Quintus Livius Varro
OOC - PM is an obvious reference to Primo Ministrum, as God deserves priority
Late 260 B.C.
Senate report:
The Senate discusses the proposal of the Macedonian King, Antigonos II. Gonatas, concerning a defense treaty. Some Senators advocate to agree to it, since Rome otherwise would stand without an Ally. Other Senators reject such a position, since Macedonia doesn`t seem to be the right Ally and propose a simple Non-Aggression-Pact. A third party refuse to be bound to Macedonia in any way. After heated debates a vote occurs:
Abstain - 26 votes
NAP - 59 votes
Reject - 95 votes
Approve - 120 votes
A messenger is send to Macedonia to deliver the message, that Rome accepts the proposal.
Consul Gaius Draconius holds a small public feast in his neighborhood to celebrate his election. But due to bad weather only few people attend it and are somehow not in good mood, thus the celebration is over pretty quickly and the less said about it the better.
Consul report:
none
Pontifex report:
Pontifex Quintus Livius Varro travels through the Republic to improve the people`s mood. In Campania, the sacrifice along with an elaborated preaching wins the hearts and minds of the population and the happiness increases by 10.
Provinces with below-average happiness are Bruttium, Latium (45 each), Campania, Etruria, Umbria (40 each), Liguria, Venetia (35 each), Apulia, Cisalpine Gaul and Dalmatia (30 each).
Aedile report:
Although the construction of a new port in Bruttium proceeds as expected, there seemed to be some flaws in the construction of another port in Apulia, and some people talk about "lost" building materials. The expenses for this port increase to 240 Denarii.
Quaestor report:
Sextus Atilius Aelianus takes Office and starts with negotiations concerning the usage of the new ports. The negotiations with the merchant guilds proceed good, and the ports will generate an additional income of 30 Denarii (Apulia) and 40 Denarii (Bruttium).
His management of the tax administration starts good, and the tax revenues for the last six months are as expected with a sum of 685 Denarii. The Treasury holds 1.009 Denarii.
[= 889 (last turn`s Treasury) - 125 (increasing Happiness) - 440 (Ports) + 685 (Taxes)]
Censor report:
Gnaeus Scipio Lentulus proposes a ceremony in the Senate hall, in order to honor the former Consul Tiberius Belisarius for his duty. The Senate approves unanimously this suggestion. A few days later, the population gathers in front of the Senate hall to hear laudation, in which the accomplishments of Belisarius are valued. The people are impressed, and Belisarius` prestige slightly improves. In the aftermath, Senator Gnaeus Salonius asks to become his client.
Word about the ritual in Campania spread to Rome and the popularity of Quintus Livius Varro increases to +1. Due to the lack of organisation during the construction process in Apulia, the popularity of Belisarius decreases to -1. The popularity of Sextus Atilius Aelianus remains at -1.
Spy report:
The Spy reports, that the presence of Troops in the Province of Macedonia has increased to 3 Legions. Rumors indicate, that another Legion has been moved to Thrace.
Tribune report:
Senator Aulus Manlius Merula is appointed to be Tribune for the 2 Legions in Cisalpine Gaul and replaces Decimus Cominius, who takes command of the Fleet in Dalmatia. Lucius Lucilius resigns as Tribune.
Tribune Aulus Manlius Merula arrives in Cisalpine Gaul. Shortly after, the Garrison of Mediolanium surrenders and the Province becomes part of the Republic of Rome.
Foreign affairs:
none
(Deadline for official and personal orders is Monday, 4 PM GMT. Have a nice weekend.)
Had a few lines of RP, but they were eaten by the blue monster(screen) of death.
Good to know I'm popular now, and that Roma has one more province.
Orders : Recruit clients, improve happiness in Apulia, Cisalpine Gaul, Dalmatia, Liguria and Venetia (125 denarii).
Good to know I'm popular now, and that Roma has one more province.
Orders : Recruit clients, improve happiness in Apulia, Cisalpine Gaul, Dalmatia, Liguria and Venetia (125 denarii).