Should Eastern Pagan faiths be as tolerant as those organized eastern ones?

[luanmameili]

Currently eastern pagans, such as Khyarwé Bön, Meile and Donyi-Poloism, consider organized eastern faiths to be evil, and is considered to be hostile by the latter(unless with Eastern Syncretism).

Does it make sense? If All Uneder Heaven is released we will definitely have more eatern pagans. In my opinion, the should be as tolerant as those organized eastern religions even with out Eastern Syncretism, since most of them are already deeply influenced by the latter.

 

[luanmameili]

Also, if both faiths has Eastern Syncretism (Nestorian and Gyur Bön, for example), should hey also consider each other to be astray instead of hostile or evil?

 

[tribnia]

I think it's worth discussing if unorganized pagans are so intolerant to each other like Abrahamic religions.

 

[vyshan]

No, they shouldn't view each other as evil. Of course their are several big issues here.

The first and foremost is that the various pagan religious traditions are in one massive family when they may have never heard of each other or had contact. Everything from Bon to Asatru to the Mande faiths to Akan, and everything in between are all lumped together.

second is the fact that for most if not all(though I could be wrong) of the faiths in the pagan group and most faiths in the eastern group, their traditions didn't come along with the notion of religious exclusivity which is the big thing in Abrahamic religious traditions.

This how you might get for example the religious tradition in the Himilayas of Newar Buddhist-Hinduism which is a mixture of both, how you have devoted taoist patronizing Buddhist temples, and temples of Local Gods. How you have norse pagans annoying the crap out of the christian priests by worshiping Jesus but also still worshiping thor and odin and the rest.

Having a better system to reflect this syncretism, and religious non-exclusivity would be good especially as we get the rest of east asia and it can benefit a lot of the world.

 

[apollo1989vieten]

I think it's worth discussing if unorganized pagans are so intolerant to each other like Abrahamic religions.

Based on how Hellenism practicers antiquity were willing to persecute other pagan faiths, they could still be very intolerant.

 

[vyshan]

Based on how Hellenism practicers antiquity were willing to persecute other pagan faiths, they could still be very intolerant.

oh they could, but its not the same. the Roman* government did persucate druids as druids were political leaders of the various celtic tribes against rome, and being an empire they weren't kind to those they were dominating.

At the same time in Gaul, Hispania, and Britain romans who moved there worshiped the various gods and goddesses and local spirits who had been worshipped there along side their own deities without an issue. Likewise the Gauls started to build temples to their gods in the roman fashion.

To use another example Buddhism. Buddhism was persecuted in China not to long ago from the earliest start date and yet those persucations would be reversed and buddhism would be integrated into the chinese spiritual milieu.

So yes pagan, polytheistic, and even more broadly religious traditions which are non-exclusive can and have been intolerant. But my point more is that the theological nature there is different then among abrahamic religions.

*Side the roman religion and the Greek religion aren't the same. Similar and share similar traits but not the same.

 

[apollo1989vieten]

oh they could, but its not the same. the Roman* government did persucate druids as druids were political leaders of the various celtic tribes against rome, and being an empire they weren't kind to those they were dominating.

At the same time in Gaul, Hispania, and Britain romans who moved there worshiped the various gods and goddesses and local spirits who had been worshipped there along side their own deities without an issue. Likewise the Gauls started to build temples to their gods in the roman fashion.

To use another example Buddhism. Buddhism was persecuted in China not to long ago from the earliest start date and yet those persucations would be reversed and buddhism would be integrated into the chinese spiritual milieu.

So yes pagan, polytheistic, and even more broadly religious traditions which are non-exclusive can and have been intolerant. But my point more is that the theological nature there is different then among abrahamic religions.

*Side the roman religion and the Greek religion aren't the same. Similar and share similar traits but not the same.

My point is that it an over generalization to say the pagan faiths were more tolerant of each other than the monotheistic faiths were of heretical sects. Synchronization between them was done, which is why it is common to lump Roman and Greek paganism together because of the vast influence Greek paganism had on shaping Roman paganism. And it wasn’t just the Druids that the Romans had problems with

It could probably be looked at on how the pagan faiths’ religious attitudes were. Did the Slavic pagans have a high degree of certainty of the correctness of their beliefs?

The pagan family should probably be subdivided into three different groups. Eastern, Western, and African paganism. Each pagan group likely developed from the same source. Tengrism probably would go into the Western group, even though the eastern Tengrism had some eastern influence.

 

[frostbiyt]

The pagan family should probably be subdivided into three different groups. Eastern, Western, and African paganism. Each pagan group likely developed from the same source. Tengrism probably would go into the Western group, even though the eastern Tengrism had some eastern influence.

It's been brought up before that, especially for the pagan religions, the game's clear delineation between culture and religion doesn't really make sense. And I don't think "draw a couple more lines" is really a good solution, since it's still vastly over-generalizing an aspect of belief that is going to vary by religion, culture, government, administration, and individual personalities. The game already accounts for a faith's general religious tolerance, as well as an individual's, maybe there needs to be more religious tolerance mechanics introduced into the culture and government systems as well.