So Much For Restoring the HRE...

[Idle America]

My reward for reestablishing the HRE, and getting a REALLY good heir set up with adoring vassals for the future...

...is to inherit next to nothing, because I formed Italia in order to keep my realm united. The decision to reform the is supposed to make all fully-controlled kingdoms outside of Italia de jure HRE. My previous ruler controlled all of Italia seen above. His heir inherited Burgundy and Provence.

 

[frostbiyt]

Just roll back to a previous save

 

[Idle America]

Just roll back to a previous save

Ironman.

 

[Cyhort]

Ironman.

Well, you did that to yourself then, buddy. Just play it out and reconquer your lost territory. That's what Ironman is supposed to force you to do.

 

[Stoner_Saint]

A couple things.
The dejure empire for East Francia is Germania which the HRE effectively replaces, could you go to the dejure view and post a picture of that as this is not an issue I myself have ever seen where Italia expands.
If you controlled West Francia, Frisia and Lotharingia even if they were only vassals they should be included in your current realm. It does not make sense for them to have split off in this way.
What succession type or laws did you have in place?

 

[naq29]

My reward for reestablishing the HRE, and getting a REALLY good heir set up with adoring vassals for the future...
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...is to inherit next to nothing, because I formed Italia in order to keep my realm united. The decision to reform the HRE deletes the empire of East Francia, and makes all fully-controlled kingdoms outside of Italia de jure HRE. The problem is, when it destroyed East Francia, it defaulted to the already-existing Empire of Italia instead of the HRE.

Let your heir inherit Italia then.

 

[Idle America]

Well, you did that to yourself then, buddy. Just play it out and reconquer your lost territory. That's what Ironman is supposed to force you to do.

Except East Francia was supposed to become part of the HRE, not Italia. This is a bug.

 

[Stoner_Saint]

Except East Francia was supposed to become part of the HRE, not Italia. This is a bug.

Can you post a picture showing the dejure empires?

 

[Idle America]

Can you post a picture showing the dejure empires?

Well, I took a look... and it's still De Jure Germania. Now I'm even more confused.

"Completely controlled kingdoms outside of Italia will become de jure part of Holy Roman Empire". Apparently not.

 

[Stoner_Saint]

Well, I took a look... and it's still De Jure Germania. Now I'm even more confused. I had five sons, so why did it get split like this?
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"Completely controlled kingdoms outside of Italia will become de jure part of Holy Roman Empire". Apparently not.

Sorry man that blows. Thats really weird.
Ive never seen that happen before.

 

[Stoner_Saint]

Did some poking around, apparently I'm not the only one with this issue:

From three months ago: r/CrusaderKings/comments/1kau6u9/is_forming_the_hre_bugged_since_the_latest/
From over a year ago: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/restore-the-holy-roman-empire-bug.1629546/

The one thing they all have in common, is East Francia.

Hopefully it will get fixed soon.

 

[Idle America]

Sorry man that blows. Thats really weird.
Ive never seen that happen before.

I think I found the problem. From Reddit:

"What others have said about Italia, but also an important note: I believe the tooltip in the game is misleading (it used to be) – it says it'll add kingdoms whose territory you completely control to de jure hre (except for those from empire of Italia), but instead it adds kingdom titles that you hold to hre, no matter if you control them fully or not. So, like, if you fully control Bulgaria but didn't create the title, it won't be added to HRE. But if you managed to create Bulgaria title with whatever amount of counties, and don't control it fully – it will be added to HRE."

The only kingdom title I formed outside of Italia was Burgundy.

 

[frostbiyt]

Ironman.

Task manager.

Well, you did that to yourself then, buddy. Just play it out and reconquer your lost territory. That's what Ironman is supposed to force you to do.

Unintuitive/unexpected behavior is different from rolling with the punches from normal gameplay, it's fine to complain about them or to force quit the game to roll back to a previous state, now knowing how some mechanic or decision actually works.