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P.S. shenanigans like that and the fact that the game is still very unpolished and basically in development despite being out for 5 years is why I personally never play in Ironman (since the achievements are available anyway).
Yeah, lesson learned. It's not cheating if the game's broken!
 
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I wanted to do something different! I wanted to recreate, reform, and restore the HRE as an improvement on the Roman Empire, without the depravities and degeneracies of the old empire.
Very Gibbon-influenced comment aside, Catholicism simply means you spread far and wide the depravities and degeneracies of the new empire, lol.
 
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Whether some of your kingdom titles aren't dejure doesn't matter.
Just don't be on confederate partition and only have one empire title. ^^
It's really handy if you go for WC or similar absurdities. Not because of the taxes or the inheritance, but because you get less rebellions.

I dont know if they patched it, but with a second empire title, you could even destroy the HRE and take the decision again - so you can dejure the whole world over time.
 
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Who creates the holy Roman empire when they could've just unified Italia and go for recreating the actual Roman empire?!
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Holy as in the Pope needed to even sign off on it and only under very specific rules.
Roman?! More like German pretenders. Just like the Byzantine Greek pretenders.

Empire, yes it was an empire. I'll give you that.
Best Christmas Ever: Pope Leo III crowned Charlemagne emperor, and Charlemagne gave him a severed human foreskin.
 
Edward Gibbon was the guy who wrote The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.
And since he blamed it on moral decay and degeneracy ...
"Decay" implies there was morality to begin with. The real question isn't "how did the Roman Empire fall", it's "how the hell did the Roman Empire last as long as it did??"
 
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"Decay" implies there was morality to begin with. The real question isn't "how did the Roman Empire fall", it's "how the hell did the Roman Empire last as long as it did??"
Morality, like many other aspects of human life, evolves. While apparent slavery is so abhorrent that Pdox now refuses to depict it in a game where it did exist, it was quite moral back when the Roman Late Republic was still around.
As for the latter half of your statement, yes, the real question is how did the Roman State last all the way into the mid-15th century.
 
As for the latter half of your statement, yes, the real question is how did the Roman State last all the way into the mid-15th century.
It survived much longer, only being toppled by Atatürk in the last last century.
 
Morality, like many other aspects of human life, evolves. While apparent slavery is so abhorrent that Pdox now refuses to depict it in a game where it did exist, it was quite moral back when the Roman Late Republic was still around.
As for the latter half of your statement, yes, the real question is how did the Roman State last all the way into the mid-15th century.
The Roman state never really had much morality, even in Republic times. The constant wars led to the decline of the number of small land owners, whose land became patricians’ slave plantations.

The increased role of the military in imperial politics combined with some incompetent and potentially insane emperors, led to the crisis of the 3rd century.
 
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