Some feedback on new DAIM

[Cyrus Spitama]

I did several hands off games and now diving into my first proper game. Here is some things I have noticed.

Hands off games -
Italy does much better in N. Africa but, for some reason stops before actually attacking Suez. This allows the UK and Allies to get more forces in the area, which then pushes Italy backwards.
AI is making some very odd event choices. 2 of the 3 games Russia did not purge.
Italy waited in all 3 games to join the Axis until Germany made Vichy.
In the Sino-Jap war, China took over 6 months to fight Guangxi Clique which weakens them consiberably for the Japanese invasion. This is also happening in my current game as Japan.
Also, when Japan beat China in one of the games, Sinkiang was the only warlord not annexed by Japan. As a consequence, a 2nd DOW was made against them. When Japan sued for peace ( strange in itself) with Sinkiang, the first DOW was still showing. In other words, a likely bug.
Romania is crazy aggressive in Europe
The European minors are strangely guarding their own borders next to other Axis. They should be guarding their Soviet borders more I would think, considering their fellow Axis aren't likely to invade .
Manchuko is building insane numbers of cavalry. This is defintely an issue. In my current game, they have 10 cavalry vs. 5 infantry and 5 militia.


All is all a great package but I am sure yall know nothing is perfect !

 

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Italy does much better in N. Africa but, for some reason stops before actually attacking Suez.

I agree... Alexandria was taken quickly (as GER, i helped with TAC/CAS) but Italian AI did not cross Suez detroit ('40).
But much more later, Italian AI succeeded in amphibious landing in Tel Aviv and took Suez.

 

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Maybe just bad luck, but in my both 2 games I had with the new daim so far the japan AI dowed the soviets around 39 (maybe that chasan lake or the other incident).

 

[e-stab]

AI is making some very odd event choices. 2 of the 3 games Russia did not purge.

Definitely not DAIM related. We didn't change any of the "AI chances" which determine the AIs' choices in events.

Italy waited in all 3 games to join the Axis until Germany made Vichy.

This is intentional and realistic given the historical course of events.

In the Sino-Jap war, China took over 6 months to fight Guangxi Clique which weakens them consiberably for the Japanese invasion. This is also happening in my current game as Japan.

Well, the inner-Chinese wars can be weird, yes. I don't think it is different with the vanilla AI though. Some events in the region are messed up a bit anyway...

When Japan sued for peace ( strange in itself) with Sinkiang, the first DOW was still showing. In other words, a likely bug.

Sounds like an engine bug, I've seen a similar thing as well.

Romania is crazy aggressive in Europe

Romania's AI isn't touched by DAIM.

The European minors are strangely guarding their own borders next to other Axis. They should be guarding their Soviet borders more I would think, considering their fellow Axis aren't likely to invade .

Hmm, no AI should guard a border with an ally. Are you sure they were allied at the time already?

Manchuko is building insane numbers of cavalry. This is defintely an issue. In my current game, they have 10 cavalry vs. 5 infantry and 5 militia.

Yes, this was reported already.

All is all a great package but I am sure yall know nothing is perfect !

Yes, sure. o
I hope I didn't "trash" your report, but I wanted to make clear which things are related to DAIM and which aren't. Often enough things are mistaken to be caused by us (both good and bad) when they aren't.

Thanks for your feedback!

 

[Cyrus Spitama]

lol no. Report is far from trashed In fact, I hoped you didn't think my fedback was being all fussy

I wonder why Romania is suddenly trying to be master of Central Europe with my current reinstall ? Oh well, maybe they are just excited about the new DAIM.

Well, the inner-Chinese wars can be weird, yes. I don't think it is different with the vanilla AI though. Some events in the region are messed up a bit anyway...

That is a big reason I have the desire to combine CCIP with DAIM

Hmm, no AI should guard a border with an ally. Are you sure they were allied at the time already?

Positive they were allied. Romania was guarding every provinces bordering Bulgaria and Hungary. Hungary was guarding Romanian, Yugo(before they were attacked.. so this is normal) and then the Italian owned Yugoslavian borders ( but did ignore Slovakia). Italy guarded most but, not quite all of it's new Yugo borders with those countries as well. Mind you, they were usually just one army but sometimes 2. Possibly due to the computer trying to suppress partisans in some instances but, not in all cases.



As I get further into this Japan game I'll be offering more feedback.

Thanks again for the hard work

 

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Positive they were allied. Romania was guarding every provinces bordering Bulgaria and Hungary. Hungary was guarding Romanian, Yugo(before they were attacked.. so this is normal) and then the Italian owned Yugoslavian borders ( but did ignore Slovakia). Italy guarded most but, not quite all of it's new Yugo borders with those countries as well. Mind you, they were usually just one army but sometimes 2. Possibly due to the computer trying to suppress partisans in some instances but, not in all cases.

Okay, I just had a look in the files (most of them unchanged by us) and can see where it comes from. It's not necessarily a bad thing though, I think. The border with SU is set to be the most important, and what else should the Axis minors do than (a) sit around at home or (b) give the troops to Germany (which should happen - I hope).

I'll keep an eye on it.

 

[Cyrus Spitama]

So here I am in '39 waiting for the war in Europe to begin after I finished off China and the warlords... and the Soviets decide Japan is weak and needs to DOW me . While I admit to not being prepared for this(only 109 infantry atm) I believe this will be the death of the Soviets... It may take me a while to cross Russia but in theory I should be able to kill all/most of their provinces by the time Germany is ready for Barbarossa. Funny thing is, they DOWd me the month before the Nomonhan incident occured so I can get the usual non-aggression pact. Silly AI... let's see how you handle the might of the Japanese !

 

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Hmm, the SU is told to attack a human Japan when it has conquered Sinkiang (Soviet zone of influence). That's what you did, I guess?

 

[Cyrus Spitama]

Yes I had annexed Sinkiang. Is this a DAIM AI thing regarding Sinkiang? I never had the Soviets declare on me for that in vanilla

Sinkiang is almost worthless except for location. I would gladly bypass annexing it in the future if this is an issue ... lol

BTW- My planes are eating lots of weak GDE Soviets but they are being a little tough on my infantry. I am still running around with mostly '36 infantry while trying to tech rush '41 infantry and get the cheap upgrade discount.

Also, considering the strength of CAS planes I never build them unless playing the Soviets or Germany ( which I also rarely play) so this is just TACs punishing them. Only 9 planes plus my 9 naval bombers and 8 interceptors to assist.

 

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Hmm, the SU is told to attack a human Japan when it has conquered Sinkiang (Soviet zone of influence). That's what you did, I guess?

If you already talked about Sinkiang I have a suggestion too:
Raise Sinkiang Nuetrality, because Sinkiang always joins Japan in my games[after they make peace with each other of course] and that gives the Soviets a route to India[which was conquered by Japanese as well] and finish with the SU ruling entire Asia because of a cheezy exploit[using Sinkiang as the door to India]. I dont know if that annoys you, but it does definately annoying me .

 

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Raise Sinkiang Nuetrality, because Sinkiang always joins Japan in my games[after they make peace with each other of course] and that gives the Soviets a route to India[which was conquered by Japanese as well] and finish with the SU ruling entire Asia because of a cheezy exploit[using Sinkiang as the door to India].

Hmm, I've never seen that happen myself. Are you sure it wasn't bad luck or another mod involved? Can anyone confirm the problem?

 

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Hmm, I've never seen that happen myself. Are you sure it wasn't bad luck or another mod involved? Can anyone confirm the problem?

It happends every game.
[it even happened in the game I started today...]
The only mod except DAIM is SMEP, and SMEP only replaces events[the joining of Sinkiang to Japan's allience didnt involve events].

BTW, raising the nuetrality didnt work... As I said, in my current game Sinkiang did it again..

So... not bad luck, and not other mod. Im realy trying to figure it out...

 

[Cyrus Spitama]

I have always annexed Sinkiang as Japan and avoided that issue(Soviets attacking India) . Of course, I often use Sinkiang to launch another front to attack India(as Japan) ... hehe

This is the FIRST time the Soviets have declared war on me for annexing Sinkiang. We always get the non-aggression pact event before they can consider war with me. That's the only reason I posted about it
Mind you, I go to war with the Soviets almost right after the non-aggression pact fades but at that time I am fully prepared for it and the Germans are knocking on their western gates at the same time(or just about to start knocking).

As a quick update, due to superior numbers the Soviets are making more gains than I would like to see. However, many of my troops have been upgraded to '39 now and I am pushing them back. The Soviets have a very large mix of '18 through '39 infantry and with their reduced defense, it's only a matter of time before I am having some chilled vodka in Moscow.

 

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Howdy... I'm new to DAIM. Been letting a couple of hands-off runs go by and so far a major thumbs up to the team. You guys did a nice job and I'm looking forward to a tough game as the US...

One thing I've noticed though is the Japanese tend to go around Comm-Chi instead of through it. Once they reached Comm-Chi's northern borders, well, from that point on approximately 25-33% of their divisions surround the commies and do nothing. The number of divisions started at about 5 per province and climbed to over 10 per by the time the Dragon fell.

I didn't let it run long enough to see if they eventually take care of the reds or not...

But anyway... very nice job.

 

[Cyrus Spitama]

Actually, that behavior against Com. China is quite normal. Every now and then the Japanese get lucky and get the chance to invade Com. China before Nat. China falls but it is not a common event ( for my games at least). It has to do with all the negatives in that region. River crossing + forts + fairly large stacks of defenders. If any of those factors drops considerably ( like Com. China moving their army out ), Japan is usually quick enough to take advantage of that and get inside their perimeter.

 

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I figured as much. It didn't really seem to slow Japan much anyway which is good.

Thanks for the feedback!

 

[Cyrus Spitama]

Wow... ok I must say the Russians had a nice mix of motorized+ infantry and a handful of tanks. They even had a good number of modern infantry that started to appear on the front. I started that war with 3 to 1 odds(their favor) and I never changed those odds considerably... Overall, they did an awesome job of preventing me from making any real progress. So good, I am forced to go back to the save before I annexed Sinkiang I have burnt about 400 manpower just reinforcing my armies without major gains and I honestly cannot afford that loss. It is nearly winter of '40 so the Germans aren't that far from a potential Barbarossa ( 1 year of time) if I was able to hold on to my current gains. This doesn't seem wise to me considering all this war has dragged my belligerence much higher than i would like at this point. I haven't even touched the S. Pacific and I already have a belligerence of 105(enough that the US embargo'd me last year.. and my resources have been at large negatives for the last year) !! Of course, I never fully understood how I gain so much belligerence from a country that DOWs on ME and I happen to fare better than they do... heh

So.... is the Soviet DOW because of Sinkiang a DAIM thing or I was just lucky enough to NEVER encounter it before installing DAIM ?

 

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So.... is the Soviet DOW because of Sinkiang a DAIM thing or I was just lucky enough to NEVER encounter it before installing DAIM ?

It's a DAIM thing. Owned by DAIM, I'd say. :rofl:

 

[Cyrus Spitama]

You sneaky #%^$&&'s !!! hehe

I must say it was an interesting surprise. Related to my CCIP project, Sinkiang is considered part of the Chinese sphere of influence and not Russia. That is an obvious conflict I need to resolve somehow...

Well... I have reloaded to just AFTER my Sinkiang annexation just to test if they will continue to DOW me. I am curious how reliably the Russians will be aggressive towards Sinkiang's aggressors. If it is not a guarantee, I may just consider that a risk the Nat. Chinese expansion can be balanced against.

 

[Spocky]

I assume that the guarantee of indepndence is the only reason for the DOW