Some questions, mostly about Dorne

[Kripox]

So, Dorne. Need some answers.

1.) In the latest patch Ghaston Grey is supposed to be a military command but I can't figure out how to give it away as a command. The title is also named Lordship of Ghaston grey, shouldn't the title be Command of Gaston Grey?

2.) In a similar fashion, some titles, like Rainwood, are called Castle of Rainwood instead of Lordship, and the holder is Ser of the province instead of Lord of it. Is there any real difference here or just different names?

3.) After conquering Dorne as Aegon, the ruler is still called Prince/Princess. Isn't this wrong? Prince and Princess are royal titles in Dorne, equivalent of King and Queen, and after the conquest the Martells lack royal privilege. In the books they retained these titles due to retaining their royal privilege after joining the Iron Throne through marriage rather than conquest unless I'm mistaken. It seems to me that if the ruler of Dorne lacks royal privilege he/she should just be a plain old Lord/Lady Paramount. As an aside Orys being an Archon looks quite weird, I'd add an exception for him from other valyrians and let him just be a Lord Paramount.

4.) Latest patch had a "new way for women to get titles owed to them." How? All I can see is plain old buy favor.

EDIT: Additional question. How precisely do cadet branches of major houses form? I have seen this very little. Recently in one of my games, a bastard Stark ended up at the wall, but went traitor very early. Some years after establishing himself as a wildling chief he seemingly legitimized himself and became a full Stark. I would perhaps have expected a landed Stark not even under the throne to form a cadet branch, but it didn't happen. If being an independent lord outside the realm the rest of the Starks are in isn't enough, what is?

 

[blackninja9939]

1) Grant the title to someone
2) Just name flavour
3) They are defined like that so that in all other start dates where they joined of their free will they are called Prince etc and it cannot be revoked
4) Event chain that may trigger
5) A ruler can grant their son who is a bastard a cadet dynasty

 

[SBerger]

But that ruler has to have a title they can grant away. As far as I can tell.

 

[Rip Off Productions]

3.) After conquering Dorne as Aegon, the ruler is still called Prince/Princess. Isn't this wrong? Prince and Princess are royal titles in Dorne, equivalent of King and Queen, and after the conquest the Martells lack royal privilege. In the books they retained these titles due to retaining their royal privilege after joining the Iron Throne through marriage rather than conquest unless I'm mistaken. It seems to me that if the ruler of Dorne lacks royal privilege he/she should just be a plain old Lord/Lady Paramount. As an aside Orys being an Archon looks quite weird, I'd add an exception for him from other valyrians and let him just be a Lord Paramount.

3) They are defined like that so that in all other start dates where they joined of their free will they are called Prince etc and it cannot be revoked

while I understand that this is likely a limitation of how CK2 handles title names, I do like the idea of being able to let some of the Westerosi kings keep their crowns after submitting to the Iron Throne if I like them...

Maybe as some sort of "minor" title? like how the Wardens of the North/South/East/West?

 

[blackninja9939]

while I understand that this is likely a limitation of how CK2 handles title names, I do like the idea of being able to let some of the Westerosi kings keep their crowns after submitting to the Iron Throne if I like them...

Maybe as some sort of "minor" title? like how the Wardens of the North/South/East/West?

Grant them royal privilege then, it is a targeted decision

 

[Kripox]

Sure the granting of Ghaston Grey works as intended? I tried again and it worked, but the first time I gave it away it didn't seem to become a military command. Any specific requirements for the holder? Like, do they need a certain combination of gender, stats or traits in order for Ghaston Grey to work properly?

So cadet dynasties can only be granted from parents to bastard children? Do they need to be a vassal or part of the same realm? Legit bastards excluded I presume?

 

[Kripox]

One final thing before I stop bothering people.

How do I edit defines.lua? There were a few changes I wanted to try, but when i change the file the game refuses to start, and even after resetting all values to their original values the game is still down. The only fix is to delete the whole thing and replace it with a new copy of defines.lua. I haven't had any problems with defines in the base game or CK2+, so what am I doing wrong here?

 

[blackninja9939]

Sure the granting of Ghaston Grey works as intended? I tried again and it worked, but the first time I gave it away it didn't seem to become a military command. Any specific requirements for the holder? Like, do they need a certain combination of gender, stats or traits in order for Ghaston Grey to work properly?

So cadet dynasties can only be granted from parents to bastard children? Do they need to be a vassal or part of the same realm? Legit bastards excluded I presume?

Who are you trying to grant it to? I just loaded up as Doran in Crowned Stag and granted it to Oberyn and it was a military command
The decision is the cadet_bastard decision in the targetted_decisions file the conditions are all there but summarised very quickly it is: they are your bastard, not a prisoner and in your realm, they are 16 and male, you have some prestige or they have good stats and you have a spare title you can give away

One final thing before I stop bothering people.

How do I edit defines.lua? There were a few changes I wanted to try, but when i change the file the game refuses to start, and even after resetting all values to their original values the game is still down. The only fix is to delete the whole thing and replace it with a new copy of defines.lua. I haven't had any problems with defines in the base game or CK2+, so what am I doing wrong here?

You edit defines.lua the same way you would edit it normally, what lines are you editing that is causing it crash?

 

[Kripox]

Who are you trying to grant it to? I just loaded up as Doran in Crowned Stag and granted it to Oberyn and it was a military command
The decision is the cadet_bastard decision in the targetted_decisions file the conditions are all there but summarised very quickly it is: they are your bastard, not a prisoner and in your realm, they are 16 and male, you have some prestige or they have good stats and you have a spare title you can give away


You edit defines.lua the same way you would edit it normally, what lines are you editing that is causing it crash?

I don't know precisely who the first I tried giving it to was, some seemingly fairly average courtier. I don't know though, I tried it several more times and it worked like a charm.

As for the defines file, any line I change seem to stop it. The first ones that I originally tried changing were the max demesne limits for different tiers. I opened the file, took great care to only remove a single digit and replace it, then saved the file. Game refuses to start. Unlike the Ghaston Grey problem, this problem happened multiple times and also when I tried switching other lines instead. This is really weird, I have enever encountered this problem in any other text file I've edited in either the base game or other mods. Or the other text files in this mod for that matter.