some questions

[Vluggejapie]

Hey there,

I picked up this gem a few days ago, mainly because of Devine Wind not being available on steam yet. I wish i could convert my "ownership" of EU trough steam to gamersgate, if this is the service i can expect from steam in the future.

Anyway, there are some questions though. (im playing with the DV expansion)

1: I sometimes find myself at war with some pagan king, duke, count or whatever, and unable to sue him for peace. is that a known bug? i had to wait for the "the heathens are splintered" event to make peace.

2: If my rep is good, i have a high diplomatic skill, and rule by feudal contract, i still encounter periods where several vassals decide to break away from my empire (i play as Byzantines and "Germany" allot). what could be the cause of this? is it just part of the empire building life, or are there factors i'm not taking into account? ive got my inheritance worked out, i use the second law in the list salic (unpronounceable word)

3: As Byzantine emperor, i immediately switch to feudal law and salic pro..
Thats a good idea right? The Turks are too much of a hassle to have to bother with disloyalty in my own ranks....

4: What use is it to hand out Duke titles to my vassals? I find it annoying that I cannot mobilize the armed forces of a count when the are vassals to a duke instead of me directly. I assume therefore, that it is better to have all those vassals stay counts, directly under my rule. Or do duke titles give a bonus to my vassals that I would like them to have?

5: I read somewhere that the crusade system is bugged like your average 1.00 Bethesda (read: Paradox for all you sceptics around here) release. As the German king i conquered Jerusalem, but this did not give me any event or bonus, the crusade still continues and is costing me piety (my ruler is zealous and has the crusader trait).

6: when marrying off your offspring, what is the way to go? I tend not to marry off daughters with good stats, as they tend to move to the courts of their spouse. I thought therefore that marrying off my sons would make their wives move over to my court. I guess that is not the case when the spouse i had in mind for them is a count/duke etc. right? i had my hand crafted son move to some Byzantine court when i married him off to some super Byzantine princess (i thought, bring on the good stuff in terms of grandsons and heirs... guess i was greedy and got what i deserved) .

well thats it for now. gotta say i'm really looking forward to the sequel.

 

[Vluggejapie]

apparently I'm asking difficult questions.

i kind of solved the one about the crusader system though. I forgot to install the beta patch, so i installed it. After Jerusalem was under my control for some time I got the successfully crusade event, wich is a great event as it gives you no useful stuff to speak of.

after installing the patch, questions still stand. dukes don't mobilise their counts for example.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

apparently I'm asking difficult questions.

Yes

1) Not a bug per se, if you have less then 25 piety you can't make peace with Muslims or Pagans.

2) There will always be vassals who just don't like you, the more vassals you have the more likelier it will be that some will break away, especially if you don't hold the 'higher' title of their duchies/counties. (f.e. if you are emperor of Byzantium and the count of Naples is your vassals and you don't have the kingtitle of Sicily).

3) Yes

4) As a king/emperor you only get montly prestige from duke-level vassals. Also (as in question 1) the more vassals you have the likelier that you will get nasty events because of that, so handing out duke-titles will reduce your number of vassals.

You can still call up the troops of your vassal-vassals, just click on the province of the count and manually raise the regiments.

5) AFAIK the Crusade-events aren't bugged (they might just not work as some people expect ) A Crusade start and end by events, just conquering the Crusade-target will not end the Crusade automatically, it takes time for the event to fire. The more provinces around the Crusade-target you conquer the more likelier it is is that the event that ends the Crusade fires.

When you conquer the Crusade-target you get a piety and prestige bonus, that happens automatically you don't get an event-pop for that. How big the bonus is exactly I don't know (it might depend on the size of your realm, the bigger you are the smaller your bonus). But when I go crusading and conquer the target I usually end up with about +1,000 piety.

5) When you marry your son to a female ruler won't move to your court, since rulers can't move to another court.

 

[TempestDK]

Hey there,

I picked up this gem a few days ago, mainly because of Devine Wind not being available on steam yet. I wish i could convert my "ownership" of EU trough steam to gamersgate, if this is the service i can expect from steam in the future.

Anyway, there are some questions though. (im playing with the DV expansion)

1: I sometimes find myself at war with some pagan king, duke, count or whatever, and unable to sue him for peace. is that a known bug? i had to wait for the "the heathens are splintered" event to make peace.

2: If my rep is good, i have a high diplomatic skill, and rule by feudal contract, i still encounter periods where several vassals decide to break away from my empire (i play as Byzantines and "Germany" allot). what could be the cause of this? is it just part of the empire building life, or are there factors i'm not taking into account? ive got my inheritance worked out, i use the second law in the list salic (unpronounceable word)

3: As Byzantine emperor, i immediately switch to feudal law and salic pro..
Thats a good idea right? The Turks are too much of a hassle to have to bother with disloyalty in my own ranks....

4: What use is it to hand out Duke titles to my vassals? I find it annoying that I cannot mobilize the armed forces of a count when the are vassals to a duke instead of me directly. I assume therefore, that it is better to have all those vassals stay counts, directly under my rule. Or do duke titles give a bonus to my vassals that I would like them to have?

5: I read somewhere that the crusade system is bugged like your average 1.00 Bethesda (read: Paradox for all you sceptics around here) release. As the German king i conquered Jerusalem, but this did not give me any event or bonus, the crusade still continues and is costing me piety (my ruler is zealous and has the crusader trait).

6: when marrying off your offspring, what is the way to go? I tend not to marry off daughters with good stats, as they tend to move to the courts of their spouse. I thought therefore that marrying off my sons would make their wives move over to my court. I guess that is not the case when the spouse i had in mind for them is a count/duke etc. right? i had my hand crafted son move to some Byzantine court when i married him off to some super Byzantine princess (i thought, bring on the good stuff in terms of grandsons and heirs... guess i was greedy and got what i deserved) .

well thats it for now. gotta say i'm really looking forward to the sequel.

1. Sounds odd ... not a bug I have ever seen. Can you explain a bit more how you try to settle peace, or under which circumstances it happens?

2. If you just declare independence villy-nilly, it is most likely by event. These events fires for vassals with the 'Rebellious' trait. You don't really want rebellious people as your vassals. Also you might want to check their loyalty modifiers. Open the character screen of the vassal, and hover the mouse over his loyalty rating. The tool-tip will tell you which modifiers there are. Maybe they just don't like the personality 8traits) of your ruler.

3. Well, switching to Salic will probably just piss off more of your vassals ... as you are basically cutting them off from iheriting your crown. So doing that while your lands are in disarray might not be the best idea. Settle peace with the turks somehow, get the vassals quiet, and then change the inheritance law. Feudal contract is a good way to boost loyalty, and lower the scutage too

4. Well only dukes gives you a monthly prestige gain when you are a king. Counts give you nothing. Also it is easier to keep 5 dukes happy, than 20 counts. The more direct vassals you have, the more chance there is for rebellious thoughts and discontent to spread.

you can mobilize the armies of the counts directly from the province screen of the county. Doing this of a vassal will cost loyalty, but since th counts are not your direct vassals, their drop in loaylty is towards the duke, not you. So it is a bit gamey. You can only do this if the vassal have at least 50% loyalty.

5. The crusades end by event, which can fire anywhere from 1 day to 1 decade after the crusade target is taken. To increase the likelyhood of the event firing, make sure the surrounding provinces are in christian hands (doesn't have to be the same realm that holds the target). Eventually the crusade will end, and you will get a huge piety bonus for holding the target.

6. Generally I marry off the oldest daughter to the wealthiest guy I can find (for a big dowry) ... also I tend to marry daughters to courtiers, so I can have a steady flow of new courtiers not of my own dynasty. Keeps the diversity of my court. If I have a big court already or no single males, I tend to send the girls away, unless their stats are really good.

If you manage to marry your son to a Duchess or Countess, then yes he will move there, as the ruler can't move to your court.

edit: I got Veld'ed

 

[HJ Tulp]

You manage to marry your sons to female rulers? Never able to do that myself....

 

[ConjurerDragon]

Sure. The chances are not huge however. But sometimes I manage to get the daughter of the Duke of Aquitaine for one of my sons which promises a HUGE inheritance in the next generation of the family. If they decline - ask again. And again. And again...

 

[unmerged(217556)]

As far as your vassals loyalty, you can always hover your mouse over where it displays their loyalty% on their character page and a window will pop up showing you monthly loyalty change and what things are contributing to it. Usual -% things to look for are character traits (like if you are a lazy coward) or liege's diplomacy rating (get a better chancellor.)

And another way to mobilize the vassals of your dukes is when you click "Grand Mobilization" in the list of buttons on the screen for your realm. It will instantly mobilize all the troops in your demesne and send requests to all of your vassals and their vassals to mobilize all their troops for you. Only use this when you need to for a huge war though, as having this many troops mobilized can likely make you go broke in a hurry.

For settling peace with a pagan ruler, to force a peace you have to have all of their demesne occupied, so you might want to check what their realm screen shows as their number of provinces in their demesne, look at the pagan ruler's character screen and see which count titles he has, and then check and make sure they are all occupied. Another quick way to check is to click on one of their provinces and then switch the map mode to the "relations" map and zoom out, all of their personal demesne will show up in dark green making it pretty easy to see where it's all at. You never know with those wily pagans whether they have some single faraway province that they sniped off of someone's rebelling vassal somewhere. It's happened to me quite a few times where I'll take some pagan's three provinces only to realize they've gained a fourth in the middle of our war, in iceland.

 

[TempestDK]

And another way to mobilize the vassals of your dukes is when you click "Grand Mobilization" in the list of buttons on the screen for your realm. It will instantly mobilize all the troops in your demesne and send requests to all of your vassals and their vassals to mobilize all their troops for you. Only use this when you need to for a huge war though, as having this many troops mobilized can likely make you go broke in a hurry.

Well to be honest, vassals' and vassals' vassals' armies does not cost you anything ... they are free (pre-)cannon fodder .... so use them for the most part. Just remember, that if you use any other option than grand mobilization, then you should have at least 50% of your own troops mobilized before asking (you can always demobilize them once the vassals bring their troops), otherwise you might get refusals and loyalty hits.

 

[unmerged(84239)]

Just started up playing this again, but I forgot how to end crusades.

does anybody remember
- where the crusade events are?
- which lines I have to ' # ' out?

Thanks!
Oh, and btw I really lost the edge. As Naples, I was pawned 3 times in a row in a few years (1st: by Apulia, 2nd: by Messina, 3rd: by Messina and Palermo )

 

[ConjurerDragon]

Just started up playing this again, but I forgot how to end crusades.

does anybody remember
- where the crusade events are?
- which lines I have to ' # ' out?

Thanks!
Oh, and btw I really lost the edge. As Naples, I was pawned 3 times in a row in a few years (1st: by Apulia, 2nd: by Messina, 3rd: by Messina and Palermo )

Do you mean the events in
\Paradox Entertainment\Crusader Kings\db\events
in crusader_events.txt
?

 

[unmerged(84239)]

Do you mean the events in
\Paradox Entertainment\Crusader Kings\db\events
in crusader_events.txt
?

I found it, actually it is in the DB folder events.txt.

No crusades, yay!