Some things that confuse me

[Cenobite30]

1. Why does it cost prestige and extra money to raise your own children, but doesn't cost anything to have the nannies/monks/nobles raise them? Is this for historical reasons or gameplay reasons?

2. In DVIP, The Order of Santiago asked for some of my land in Spain near Toledo. I give it to them. After a few years, their king (not Grandmaster) asks if he could become my vassal. So for a few years I had a king vassalizing another king. I also noticed I could revoke his king title and become King of the Order of Santiago myself. Is that supposed to happen? Will it cause any problems with my game if I take his title?

I had questions 3 and 4 earlier, but I forgot them. Sorry if these questions had already been answered years ago. The CK search engine hasn't got any answers.

 

[TempestDK]

1. Why does it cost prestige and extra money to raise your own children, but doesn't cost anything to have the nannies/monks/nobles raise them? Is this for historical reasons or gameplay reasons?

2. In DVIP, The Order of Santiago asked for some of my land in Spain near Toledo. I give it to them. After a few years, their king (not Grandmaster) asks if he could become my vassal. So for a few years I had a king vassalizing another king. I also noticed I could revoke his king title and become King of the Order of Santiago myself. Is that supposed to happen? Will it cause any problems with my game if I take his title?

I had questions 3 and 4 earlier, but I forgot them. Sorry if these questions had already been answered years ago. The CK search engine hasn't got any answers.

1. It doesn't cost anything to raise your vassal's armies either, but it does when you raise your own. That is the wondrous world of the absolute monarch/ruler, you can get others to do your dirty work for you ... at their expense

But if you wish to spend time on your own son's education and upbringing, you have to foot the bill.

Does it really cost prestige?? .. well if it does, it might be considerd not so "monarch-y" to do something yourself, that you have serfs for.

2. Until the first inheritance the knight orders are considered to be counts, and thus can be vassalized, even though they are in fact kings. It is a bug/limitation in CK. As for why he is called a king, I am not sure. Might be that that Order is a DVIP product, and thus there might be limitations on what Jordarkelf could do to emulate the other Orders. He would knwo best

 

[Cenobite30]

1. It doesn't cost anything to raise your vassal's armies either, but it does when you raise your own. That is the wondrous world of the absolute monarch/ruler, you can get others to do your dirty work for you ... at their expense

But if you wish to spend time on your own son's education and upbringing, you have to foot the bill.

Does it really cost prestige?? .. well if it does, it might be considerd not so "monarch-y" to do something yourself, that you have serfs for.

2. Until the first inheritance the knight orders are considered to be counts, and thus can be vassalized, even though they are in fact kings. It is a bug/limitation in CK. As for why he is called a king, I am not sure. Might be that that Order is a DVIP product, and thus there might be limitations on what Jordarkelf could do to emulate the other Orders. He would knwo best

So if some hypothetical king, let's say me, were to revoke his king title, it wouldn't mess with my succession or otherwise ruin my game?

 

[TempestDK]

So if some hypothetical king, let's say me, were to revoke his king title, it wouldn't mess with my succession or otherwise ruin my game?

I have no idea .... only one way to find out .... well there are others, but the easiest is to try it out. Just remember to save first

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

The Order of Santiago is just like any other kingtitle, so it shouldn't cause any problems that you have it.

The 3 original knightly orders (Templars, Hospitallers and Teutons) have hardcoded things attached to their tag, so having one of those titles might cause problem if you get one of them.

 

[Arko]

So if some hypothetical king, let's say me, were to revoke his king title, it wouldn't mess with my succession or otherwise ruin my game?

I've tried that once (I don't remember with which order it was).
the only weird thing happened to me was an event named "AI event" that fire to built templar in all my provinces... good thing, the only drawback is that event never stop firing even when the templar building is already built
don't remember if there is any other oddities

 

[jordarkelf]

Santiago and the Livonian Knights are pseudo-knight orders. Since I can't change government form by event, they are actually king titles with some special events that force them to change laws and get templar events.

Do not use the exploit where you can vassalize a king who is count level, then you won't be tempted to try to steal the title

 

[gamer42_au]

The Order of Santiago had a category of married knight, who did not have a requirement for chastity, so in fact historically many of the higher levels were occupied by the Spanish nobility. Eventually (out of CK period) the King (of Castile/Spain) became the Grandmaster permanently.
So in this case having the king become grandmaster is not so bad (would be very wrong for the other orders though).

 

[Cenobite30]

Santiago and the Livonian Knights are pseudo-knight orders. Since I can't change government form by event, they are actually king titles with some special events that force them to change laws and get templar events.

Do not use the exploit where you can vassalize a king who is count level, then you won't be tempted to try to steal the title

I somehow got a claim on the king title (maybe because he was my vassal, then stopped being my vassal?), and now I'll just go to war to get it. But their current king is my king's friend, so I'll wait for one of them to die first.

My king is Rodrigo "El Cid" Diaz de Vivar. He was besieging a province and his marshal was besieging the adjacent one. Then an event fired which seemed to be written specifically for El Cid where he (being so heroic and all) would rush in and save the marshal while the marshal would pick up a negative trait. Are there many events like that? Which characters get them?

 

[Cenobite30]

I remembered #3: Why can't I ever fill my diocese bishop slot? I have several guys with ecclesiastical education, at all four levels of proficiency, and none of them can do t. The only time I can is if I get an event saying the Pope wants me to take some bishop into my court.

 

[Veldmaarschalk]

I remembered #3: Why can't I ever fill my diocese bishop slot? I have several guys with ecclesiastical education, at all four levels of proficiency, and none of them can do t. The only time I can is if I get an event saying the Pope wants me to take some bishop into my court.

Do they have the same religion as you ?

 

[Cenobite30]

Do they have the same religion as you ?

Yes. Everyone is Catholic.

 

[Cenobite30]

A new guy just came of age in my court. He is of a different dynasty (a converted Arab, actually) and he can become the DB. Weird.

 

[Puritan]

I remembered #3: Why can't I ever fill my diocese bishop slot? I have several guys with ecclesiastical education, at all four levels of proficiency, and none of them can do t. The only time I can is if I get an event saying the Pope wants me to take some bishop into my court.

Are they married? I believe your bishop can be married, but a married man cannot become your bishop.

 

[Cenobite30]

Are they married? I believe your bishop can be married, but a married man cannot become your bishop.

I don't remember, but that might have been an important detail I forgot to check. Thank you.

 

[TempestDK]

Are they married? I believe your bishop can be married, but a married man cannot become your bishop.

Even married men with Ecclesiastical educations can be named diocese bishop. You can even give married men a bishopic. But bishops won't marry once they get a title.

 

[NONOPUST]

Even married men with Ecclesiastical educations can be named diocese bishop. You can even give married men a bishopic. But bishops won't marry once they get a title.

Once you name a married man diocese bishop of your realm, do they stop procreating?

I don't know if my guy just had low fertility, or if the position stops him from "celebrating" with his wife

 

[Snaake]

Not that i've noticed. My current DB is 18, and his wife is pregnant. My previous DBs were also married (most of them) and i'm pretty sure they've had kids while doing it.

Not sure if you grant a bishopric to married man, whether they stop procreating. Pretty sure they don't.

 

[kadvael56]

Once you name a married man diocese bishop of your realm, do they stop procreating? I don't know if my guy just had low fertility, or if the position stops him from "celebrating" with his wife

Diocese bishops can have children, I had one who had nine children with his first wife and four with the second. However they may have an event which allows them to become celibate and that prevents having children even if he is married.