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Byakhiam said:
One to three relatives means that if you like to have one, it would be made with 40 points, like our dukes. If two, then both with 30 points and if three, with 20 points. If Jarkko thinks this is too much work, but otherwise people agree that it's good idea, I can do the editing part for them.
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I have no problem with that, it is Patrucio who has volunteered to do the edits :D

I am perfectly happy with the three characters already at the court of Ulster, if they just could be edited to be relatives of my character. That would need a dead father and grand-father edited for Conleth, and making Aed the brother of Conleth's dead father. The dead-ones can be generic 5-5-5-5-5-5's, if this idea is ok that is :)
 
Edited character:

Lochlain Ui Canannain

Son of an Irish noble, Evan Ui Canannain, and a young Welsh woman, Lochlain was born in the lands of the Duchy of Ulster, in Tir Connail. Growing up expected to know much of the court, he quickly became a knowledgable child, able to manage finances of a small court. However, when the Count of Tir Connail died, Lochlain, along with his father, tried to wrest control of the throne from the count's son. However, they failed miserably, and, after many battles, were cast out of Ulster and they went west, to Mayo, in the lands of Connacht.

With the military experience that came from his rebellion, Lochlain became a prestigous figure in Connacht, earning the respect of many courtiers in Galway, the capital. The count of Mayo died, and, another power struggle resulted, with the sons of the count ending up dead, and the Ui Canannain family, while not in direct control of Mayo, had great influence in the court and was positioning itself for a pounce upon the throne of Sligo. They found that, since this count would not go off and die, they would have to take power directly from him. An army was raised, with the help of the count of Mayo and the Count of Mide (since turned Bishopric). With Evan at its head and Lochlain at his right hand, the army marched on Sligo.

Calling for aid from his liege, the count of Sligo received it, and, soon, with an army of nearly 400 men, he marched on Ui Canannain's army of barely 175. However, with Evan and Lochlain leading the charge, the Ui Canannain's ambushed the Connacht Royal Forces and flanked them with a massive knight charge. This, unfortunately, left the small force of infantry alone, right in front of the Royal Forces, but they held fast as the Duke of Connacht charged down upon them, with his small cavalry force of a couple dozen knights of his own house. The infantry were routed, and as they fled up the ridge, the Duke followed them, and he was lead right into the heart of the infantry, lead by Evan, while Lochlain was masquerading as his father at the head of the knights. Deciding that he must make his stand here, the Duke charged, cutting down many infantrymen, including Evan, one of Evan's brothers and two of his cousins, though Evan was not dead, only wounded. The House of Ui Canannain was decimated by this loss, but they fought on. The Duke fought well, but, as the rest of his army was routed by Lochlain's cavalry, Lochlain came up upon the Duke's rear, and the Royal forces were surrounded and slaughtered.

Tactics won the day at the Battle of Laigan Ridge, as Lugaid gained valuable experience as he went into his very late childhood. As his father was badly wounded, Lochlain took the throne of Connacht and Sligo, giving Sligo to a member of Mayo's court who he had known before his rise to power. Evan later succumbed to his wounds and died, but Lochlain carried on the family name. The House of Ui Canannain shall be strong once more.

Age: 21

Martial: 10
Diplomacy: 4
Intrigue: 4
Stewardship: 10
Health: 5
Fertility: 7

Traits: Brilliant Strategist, Indulgent, Vengeful
 
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Patrucio said:
That's the rules of the game I'm trying to set up. They are, of course, subject to debate.
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I agree with them :)
 
Aldo said:
I'm in as well if you have room for one more. Spend mornings playing CK and afternoon/evenings watching football games is a life perfectly in my taste. ;)
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It is, I have now two days of experience of this, and I can say life is good :)
 
On Jarkko's request, putting duke of Ulster into "already edited, just copy-paste" form, first making Culad to Conleth and then adding Conleth's grandfather as a father to Aed:

Code: 
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 6180 }
	name = "Conleth"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =550 }
        father = { type = 10 id = 51000 }
	country = ULST
	religion = catholic
	culture = Irish
	score = { gold = 25 prestige = 100 piety = 100 }
	birthdate = { year = 1050 month = july day = 26 }
	deathdate = { year = 1120 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "01000208020801"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 7
		stewardship = 6
		health = 7
		fertility = 7
	}
	traits = {
		intricate_webweaver = yes
		proud = yes
		lustful = yes
	}
}
character = {
	id = { type = 10 id = 6182 }
	name = "Aed"
	gender = male
	dynasty = { type = 12 id =550 }
        father = { type = 10 id = 51001 }
	country = ULST
	religion = catholic
	culture = Irish
	birthdate = { year = 1014 month = january day = 1 }
	deathdate = { year = 1074 month = january day = 1 }
	dna = "56264342658339"
	attributes = {
		martial = 6
		diplomacy = 7
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 7
		health = 6
		fertility = 5
	}
	traits = {
		suspicious = yes
		charismatic_negotiator = yes
	}
}

Then adding Conleth's father and grandfather:
Code: 
character = {
        id = { type = 10 id = 51000 }
        name = "Énrí"
        gender = male
        dynasty = { type = 12 id = 550 }
        father = { type = 10 id = 51001 }
        country = ULST
        religion = catholic
        culture = Irish
        birthdate = { year = 1012 month = january day = 1 }
        deathdate = { year = 1066 month = january day = 1 }
        dna = 01000208010804
        attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
        }
        traits = {
		naive_wirepuller = yes
        }
}
character = {
        id = { type = 10 id = 51001 }
        name = "Máel-ruanaid"
        gender = male
        dynasty = { type = 12 id = 550 }
        country = ULST
        religion = catholic
        culture = Irish
        birthdate = { year = 975 month = january day = 1 }
        deathdate = { year = 1025 month = january day = 1 }
        dna = 01000108000807
        attributes = {
		martial = 5
		diplomacy = 5
		intrigue = 5
		stewardship = 5
		health = 5
		fertility = 5
        }
        traits = {
		naive_wirepuller = yes
        }
}
 
Jarkko Suvinen said:
I agree with them :)
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I also agree with them, except for not being able to wed outside of the area. Perhaps it could be so that if we do wed outside of the area, it cannot be possible to inherit from that marriage?
 
Sterkarm said:
I also agree with them, except for not being able to wed outside of the area. Perhaps it could be so that if we do wed outside of the area, it cannot be possible to inherit from that marriage?
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Sterk, this is about Ireland. Forget Poland for once, ok? :) Your obsession with Poland begins to feel "a bit" disturbing, you know...
 
Well, I have now made edited scenario files with the edits mentioned on my two earlier posts, so if you like, I could send to you, Patrucio.

EDIT: Actually I could insert all other dukes already mentioned on this thread to the files. I've got spare time.

EDIT: Well I have all necessary scenario files modded to take into account the modded characters, their marriages and also the necessary dead fathers to make people brothers to each other. So if you want me to send them via E-Mail, PM me your E-Mail. If you want me to host a game and then saving on startday, giving a mods-in-place savegamefile from that to you then, that's ok too.
 
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Jarkko Suvinen said:
Sterk, this is about Ireland. Forget Poland for once, ok? :) Your obsession with Poland begins to feel "a bit" disturbing, you know...
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This has nothing to do with Poland! I intended to marry someone in Iberia, not Eastern Europe.
 
I agree to rules.
 
I just realized while trying out the modded version (it works though) that in original version, the duke of Western Isles is the son of duke of Leinster. Now, with the modded version this becomes rather funny as Patrucio's char has a son twice his age.

So, I thought two possible solutions to this, could Pat tell me which one would be better?

1) Return the original duke of Leinster, make him dead and leave duke of Western Isles as his son. Add Patrucio's char as a new character without existing relation to old duke of Leinster.

2) Same as above, but instead of having Patrucio's char to be "country cousin" of old duke, add a generic dead brother to Leinster and make him the father of Patrucio's character.
 
Hey, which dutchy is still free?

If there are none free that I'll also settle for being a count.

(actually I prefer being a count since I dont have any RP or AAR experience.)
 
I edited my character to be an Irishman. Sorry about my stubbornnes, Jark, it was at 0100 AM here, and, the night before I didn't sleep at all due to the German MP, so I guess that's my excuse :( , but I do accept the rules, I won't do anything but abide by them.

EDIT: But by being a de Hauteville, my intent was not to inherit Apulia or any such thing, just to add a little foreign flavor, yet not too foreign (since the nearby English king's family is Norman). But I understand why you want everyone to be a culture in Ireland, so I'm sorry about trying to be Norman.

The sad thing is now I really want to be an Irishman... :wacko:
 
Lugaid Ui Canannain, Age 17, second son of Evan, brother of Lugaid

While his brother had an informal education in the military and somewhat in the court, Lochlain's education began in the court of the Duchy of Meath (is that ok, Hyz?), where he was sent to live for three years and finish his education, when he was but 10 years old. He learned much of intrigue from the kindly Duke and his advisors, but, when he was 13, his brother and father quickly sent a messenger to recall him to Tir Connail, as he was desperately needed. However, when he arrived, he was exiled, as his father and brother had been days before. Following their lead, he went to Mayo, and helped them climb up the ladder of importance. The "convenient" death of the count was his doing as well, as, even at the age of 15 he was a mastermind, yet it was eerily unsettling to his family that he ordered one's death so easily and quickly. But they had other matters to attend to, and, after the power struggle had ended, they had taken him to war with them.

While Lochlain had showed some capability as a military leader, his ability was not even close to his brother's, so it had not been nurtured. He showed his capability at the Battle of Laigan Ridge, as he aided his brother in commanding the knights, at the young age of 16. When they charged, his group was to cut around and through the rear of the enemy, but, they were cut off themselves, as the main force continued into the side, they could not penetrate deeply enough to reach them. Their progress had stopped and they were surrounded. Quickly, Lochlain ordered the men to dismount and form a circle around their horses. Using their lances, the knights fended off attack after attack, until Lugaid reached them, breaking the Royal Forces in two.

But now Lochlain resides in the county of Galway, as his brother's capable advisor.

Martial: 8
Diplomacy: 0
Intrigue: 10
Stewardship: 2
Health: 5
Fertility: 5

Traits: Illusive shadow, Cruel (not listed in rules, I'm guessing it gives you one point), Deceitful
 
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Byakhiam said:
EDIT: Well I have all necessary scenario files modded to take into account the modded characters, their marriages and also the necessary dead fathers to make people brothers to each other. So if you want me to send them via E-Mail, PM me your E-Mail. If you want me to host a game and then saving on startday, giving a mods-in-place savegamefile from that to you then, that's ok too.
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Well, if you're going to take the initiative and mod the files before I get around to figuring it out, there's not much I can do about that. ;)

If you have server space, just post the file to this thread. Otherwise, you can e-mail it to me at bear AT provide DOT net.

One question- did you change all the inheritance laws in England, Wales, Scotland, and Ireland to semi-sallic primogeniture? If not, I can try doing that. I also think that we could edit player's inheritance laws to wherever they were wanting it to be, ao they don't have to take the initial law0change hit when they conform to our semi-sallic rule.
 
Byakhiam said:
I just realized while trying out the modded version (it works though) that in original version, the duke of Western Isles is the son of duke of Leinster. Now, with the modded version this becomes rather funny as Patrucio's char has a son twice his age.

So, I thought two possible solutions to this, could Pat tell me which one would be better?

1) Return the original duke of Leinster, make him dead and leave duke of Western Isles as his son. Add Patrucio's char as a new character without existing relation to old duke of Leinster.

2) Same as above, but instead of having Patrucio's char to be "country cousin" of old duke, add a generic dead brother to Leinster and make him the father of Patrucio's character.
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I would say don't worry about it yet. Western Isles is the last slot available in the game, so that character will get modded at some point as well.
 
Gen. Joohoo said:
Hi i am interested to take Western Isles but i want game date and time and i don't think i understood those points :eek:o
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You could take Western Isles if you want, since you piped up first. Just create a character according to the mod rules.

We don't have a set game date and time, however. It'll probably move around, and there might be weeks where we play twice in a week and other weeks where we won't play at all.

In general, though the game time will probably be fairly consistant, which will be 3 am GMT (ie- really early or pretty late, depending on where in this world you live), that the games will most likely be played during the week (ie Monday-Friday), and that it definitely won't be played on Saturday nights/Sunday mornings (most of the players in this game play in another game together on Saturday night/Sunday morning.)
 
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