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Unfortunately I'm not having too much luck with the various eparchies of Serbia, Bulgaria, Armenia, or Georgia. I might just have to back-date the modern versions to cover 1337 borders. At least Wikipedia has the eparchies under the medieval Serbian kingdom, but that's the most that I could find.

Ethiopia is likely to be the same.
 
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Honestly I'm surprised no one has brought any of these up as examples for the various TM threads for dividing up locations. Seems like it'd be a great resource for more fine-tuning of locations when there aren't necessarily political borders to be concerned with.

Obviously I wouldn't want every single diocese to be represented (I think there's, like, 5 in Naples alone), but it definitely suggests some alternate divisions of locations where there aren't political boundaries to work with.
 
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this has all you will ever need. it lists also the person in charge, the day they are build and so much more. the only problem is you will have to go through a lot pages as there are a ton and to what i can see you can't search by year (you can do it with bishops/whatever so maybe you can use that and look at all bishops from (1237 to 1337) and from there you likely are not missing any church. (highly impossible a church would remain vacant for 100 years).
https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/events/b1337.html for the said method.
 
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Ispil said:
Perhaps a bit much to ask, but anyone know of any good sources on the various dioceses/bishoprics and overall structure of the Catholic and Orthodox churches in the 14th century (and perhaps other Christian churches, if at all possible)? I've got a mod that I want to make once PC comes out that adds some depth to the major Christian faiths by representing bishoprics as IOs with landless bishop tags as being the "owner", with some additional IOs above that to capture things like ecclesiastical provinces and the like. To do that, though, it would help if I had some strong resources as to what those actually look like in the 14th century.
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Interactive map of all European Dioceses here:
https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/pt668dz7698

EDIT: apparently the same dataset as Fehervari offered, but with an interactive preview!
 
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Dioceses of the Russian Church in the 12th - mid-13th centuries

1-- the border of the Kyiv Metropolitanate by the mid-13th century (coincides with the border of Rus');
2-- the borders of the dioceses in Rus' in the 12th century (mainly coincide with the borders of the principalities and lands);
3-- the borders of the dioceses in Rus' in the 13th century (mainly coincide with the borders of the principalities and lands);
4-- the dioceses that existed in the 12th century;
5-- the dioceses that existed in the 13th century;
6-- the metropolitan see in Kyiv;
7-- the episcopal sees;
8-- the archbishop's see in Novgorod;
9-- the cities that have monasteries;
10-- the cities that have archimandrites;
11-- centers of principalities and lands.

Maps of the dioceses of the Russian Orthodox Church in the Russian Empire, the map was compiled in 1900.
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Also a map of Asian Russia but in shitty quality
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Maps show the political and religious situation in 1683. – in advance the subordination of the Kiev Metropolis to the Moscow Patriarchate and separation from the Patriarchate of Constantinople:
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Wolfgang Schmidt said:
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Dioceses of the Russian Church in the 12th - mid-13th centuries

1-- the border of the Kyiv Metropolitanate by the mid-13th century (coincides with the border of Rus');
2-- the borders of the dioceses in Rus' in the 12th century (mainly coincide with the borders of the principalities and lands);
3-- the borders of the dioceses in Rus' in the 13th century (mainly coincide with the borders of the principalities and lands);
4-- the dioceses that existed in the 12th century;
5-- the dioceses that existed in the 13th century;
6-- the metropolitan see in Kyiv;
7-- the episcopal sees;
8-- the archbishop's see in Novgorod;
9-- the cities that have monasteries;
10-- the cities that have archimandrites;
11-- centers of principalities and lands.

Maps of the dioceses of the Russian Orthodox Church in the Russian Empire, the map was compiled in 1900.
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Also a map of Asian Russia but in shitty quality
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Maps show the political and religious situation in 1683. – in advance the subordination of the Kiev Metropolis to the Moscow Patriarchate and separation from the Patriarchate of Constantinople:
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I think the situation in the 14th century wasn't quite what it looked like in the 13th? At least, I know as much in my reading that the Metropolitan of Kiyev and All Rus' was moved to Moskva. There was also a (vacant) Metropolitan of Lithuania and another one for Galich.

So, I think the diocese map is probably correct, but the overall structure should involve three metropolitans rather than one.

From my reading it should be...
  • The Metropolis of Lithuania (vacant in 1337), with suffragan eparchies of Turov and Polotsk; seat is in Novogrudok
  • The Metropolis of Galich with suffragan eparchies of Volodymyr, Lutsk, Peremysl, Turiv, and Cholm; seat is in Galich
  • The Metropolitan of Kiyev and all Rus with suffragan eparchies of... everyone else, seated in Moskva
Gonna require some extra digging to figure out which of these were extant in 1337.
 
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Ispil said:
I think the situation in the 14th century wasn't quite what it looked like in the 13th? At least, I know as much in my reading that the Metropolitan of Kiyev and All Rus' was moved to Moskva. There was also a (vacant) Metropolitan of Lithuania and another one for Galich.

So, I think the diocese map is probably correct, but the overall structure should involve three metropolitans rather than one.

From my reading it should be...
  • The Metropolis of Lithuania (vacant in 1337), with suffragan eparchies of Turov and Polotsk; seat is in Novogrudok
  • The Metropolis of Galich with suffragan eparchies of Volodymyr, Lutsk, Peremysl, Turiv, and Cholm; seat is in Galich
  • The Metropolitan of Kiyev and all Rus with suffragan eparchies of... everyone else, seated in Moskva
Gonna require some extra digging to figure out which of these were extant in 1337.
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You are right in fact about the metropolises.

And here is a map of eparchies within those metropolises:
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This map is from a bit later age, the XVI century, but actually the eparchies remained the same since the XIII – XIV centuries.
Only in 1337 those western dieceses belonged to the Halych Metropolis, that was later integrated back to the Metropolis of Kyiv in 1403 I think.
  • Peremyshl, Kholm, Volodynyr, Lutsk eparchies were under the Metropolis of Halych (not exactly sure about Pinsk eparchy).
  • Polatsk, Chernihiv, maybe Pinsk, Bryansk, Smolensk, Tver, Novgorod (and other in NE Rus) were under Kyivan/Lithuanian or Muscovy parts of the Metropolis of Kyiv.
 
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In the meantime, here's Spain:
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Blue is the province of Santiago:
  1. Santiago
  2. Tui
Red is the province of Braga:
  1. Mondoñedo
  2. Lugo
  3. Ourense
  4. Astorga
  5. Braga
  6. Zamora
  7. Porto
  8. Coimbra
  9. Viseu
Green is the province of Santiago:
  1. Lamego
  2. Lamego (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
  3. Salamanca
  4. Ciudad Rodrigo
  5. Ávila
  6. Guarda
  7. Coria
  8. Plasencia
  9. Lisbon
  10. Évora
  11. Badajoz
Yellow is the province of Seville:
  1. Silves
  2. Seville
  3. Cádiz
Cyan is the province of Toledo:
  1. Palencia
  2. Osma
  3. Segovia
  4. Siguenza
  5. Toledo
  6. Cuenca
  7. Cordoba
  8. Jaén (Martos would become part of the Diocese of Granada; it was not disconnected but I'm limited by the map)
  9. Toledo (historically disconnected)
Brown is the province of Zaragoza (created in 1318):
  1. Calahorra
  2. Pamplona
  3. Tarazona
  4. Huesca
  5. Zaragoza
  6. Tarazona (historically disconnected)
  7. Albarracín-Segorbe
Magenta is the province of Tarragona:
  1. Urgel
  2. Vic
  3. Gerona
  4. Lleida
  5. Barcelona
  6. Vic (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
  7. Tarragona
  8. Tortosa
  9. Valencia
  10. Tarragona (historically disconnected)
Black are exempt (not a member of any ecclesiastical province and immediately subject to the Holy See):
  1. Oviedo
  2. León
  3. Burgos
  4. Oviedo (historically disconnected)
  5. Cartagena
  6. Mallorca
Location decision was made by finding the village/town/city that each location is named after and placing the location into the diocese that said municipality falls within, rather than trying to make the map "fit" the location map.

Does mean that there might be issues if the devs change location names, but they could also just change the location map outright; either way, I'm gonna have to redo things. This is just a nice preliminary.
 
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France:
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Dark purple is Tours:
  1. Saint-Pol-de-Léon
  2. Tréguier
  3. Saint-Brieuc
  4. Quimper
  5. Saint-Brieuc (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
  6. Vannes
  7. Dol
  8. Saint-Malo
  9. Rennes
  10. Nantes
  11. Le Mans
  12. Angers
  13. Tours
Yellow is Rouen:
  1. Coutances
  2. Bayeux
  3. Lisieux
  4. Rouen
  5. Évreux
  6. Avranches
  7. Sées
Dark orange is Reims:
  1. Tournai
  2. Thérouanne
  3. Cambrai
  4. Arras
  5. Amiens
  6. Noyon
  7. Beauvais
  8. Senlis
  9. Laon
  10. Soissons
  11. Reims
  12. Châlons
Dark green is Sens:
  1. Chartres
  2. Paris
  3. Meaux
  4. Sens
  5. Orléans
  6. Auxerre
  7. Troyes
  8. Auxerre (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
  9. Nevers
Cyan is Lyon
  1. Langres
  2. Autun
  3. Chalon-sur-Saône
  4. Mâcon
  5. Lyon
Belley is not actually in any ecclesiastical province in France; rather, it is suffragan of the Archdiocese of Besançon. Hence, it has been omitted.

Magenta is Bourges:
  1. Bourges
  2. Limoges
  3. Tulle
  4. Clermont
  5. Saint-Flour
  6. Le Puy
  7. Mende
  8. Cahors
  9. Rodez
  10. Albi
  11. Vabres
  12. Castres
Brown is Bordeaux:
  1. Maillezais
  2. Luçon
  3. Maillezais (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
  4. Poitiers
  5. Saintes
  6. Angoulême
  7. Bordeaux
  8. Périgueux
  9. Sarlat
  10. Agen
Red is Auch:
  1. Bazas
  2. Condom
  3. Lectoure
  4. Aire
  5. Dax
  6. Auch
  7. Lescar
  8. Bayonne
  9. Oloron
  10. Tarbes
  11. Comminges
Blue is Toulouse:
  1. Montauban
  2. Toulouse
  3. Saint-Papoul
  4. Lavaur
  5. Mirepoix
  6. Pamiers
Green is Narbonne:
  1. Uzès
  2. Nîmes
  3. Maguelonne
  4. Lodève
  5. Béziers
  6. Agde
  7. Saint-Pons
  8. Carcassonne
  9. Narbonne
  10. Narbonne (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
  11. Alet
  12. Elne
Orange is Vienne:
  1. Geneva
  2. Grenoble
  3. Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne
  4. Die
  5. Vienne
  6. Viviers
  7. Valence
Dark cyan is Arles:
  1. Orange
  2. Avignon
  3. Arles
  4. Marseille
  5. Toulon
Dark red is Aix:
  1. Gap
  2. Sisteron
  3. Apt
  4. Aix (shouldn't be coastal and the coast should be split between Arles and Marseille, but I'm limited by the map)
  5. Fréjus
Dark blue is Embrun:
  1. Embrun
  2. Digne
  3. Senez
  4. Glandèves
  5. Grasse
  6. Nice
 
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Kotyk-durkotyk said:
Only in 1337 those western dieceses belonged to the Halych Metropolis, that was later integrated back to the Metropolis of Kyiv in 1403 I think.
  • Peremyshl, Kholm, Volodynyr, Lutsk eparchies were under the Metropolis of Halych (not exactly sure about Pinsk eparchy).
  • Polatsk, Chernihiv, maybe Pinsk, Bryansk, Smolensk, Tver, Novgorod (and other in NE Rus) were under Kyivan/Lithuanian or Muscovy parts of the Metropolis of Kyiv.
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They were told to re-integrate all the way back in 1347/1348 (but apparently didn't because Constantinople keeps recognising this Metropolis). The dioceses in question are Halych, Peremysl, Volodymyr, Lutsk, Kholm and Turov.

The other Kievan dioceses off-map would be Rostov, Suzdal, Ryasan and Saray, while Moscow/Vladimir were Metropolitan domain.
 
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They were told to re-integrate all the way back in 1347/1348 (but apparently didn't because Constantinople keeps recognising this Metropolis). The dioceses in question are Halych, Peremysl, Volodymyr, Lutsk, Kholm and Turov.

The other Kievan dioceses off-map would be Rostov, Suzdal, Ryasan and Saray, while Moscow/Vladimir were Metropolitan domain.
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Ispil said:
Gonna require some extra digging to figure out which of these were extant in 1337.
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I found a very detailed article on the history of Orthodox Church in Halych lands in the XIV – XV centuries.
In short:
  • the bishop of Halych Feodor was ordained in 1328 at the local council, ruled by the Metropolitan of Kyiv (sitting in Moscow) Feognost and the following bishops took part:
    • Afanasiy (Volodymyr, was ordained there too),
    • Feodosiy (Lutsk),
    • Mark (Peremyshl),
    • Stefan (Turov),
    • Hryhoriy/Ioann (Kholm).
  • In 1329 Feodor took part in the ordination of a new Rostov bishop (Antoniy), in 1331 - of a new Novgorod bishop (Vasiliy) and Lutsk bishop (Tryfon), in 1332 - of a new Chernihiv bishop (Pavlo) and in 1335 - of a new Bryansk bishop (Ioann).
  • In 1331 Feodor was also mentioned as the Metropolitan of Halych at the Patriarch council in Constantinople that he visited. Yuriy II Boleslav reportedly asked the Patriarch to create a separate Metropolis for Halych-Volhynia and the latter did so.
  • Around 1332-1333 the Metropolitan of Kyiv Feognost protested against this decision and the Patriarch cancelled the Halych metropolis quickly, in 1335 Feodor was again mentioned as a bishop.
  • In 1337 Feodor took part in another patriarch council in Constantinople and probably negotiated the creation of the Halician Metropolis again because de facto it appeared after that and existed till 1347.
 
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Germany:
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Cyan is Bremen:
  1. Bremen
  2. Lübeck
  3. Ratzeburg
  4. Schwerin
Black is exempt:
  1. Kammin
  2. Bamberg (yes, it also lands land in Austria; yes, this is as weird as it sounds)
Dark red is Cologne:
  1. Utrecht
  2. Münster
  3. Osnabrück
  4. Minden
  5. Münster (historically disconnected)
  6. Cologne
  7. Osnabrück (historically disconnected)
  8. Liège
Pink is Magdeburg:
  1. Havelberg
  2. Brandenburg
  3. Magdeburg
  4. Meissen
  5. Merseburg
  6. Naumburg
Red is Prague:
  1. Prague
  2. Olomouc
Orange is Mainz:
  1. Verden
  2. Halberstadt
  3. Hildesheim
  4. Paderborn
  5. Halberstadt (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
  6. Mainz
  7. Würzburg
  8. Worms
  9. Worms (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
  10. Speyer
  11. Eichstätt
  12. Augsburg
  13. Konstanz
  14. Chur
  15. Strasbourg
Dark cyan is Trier:
  1. Trier
  2. Verdun
  3. Metz
  4. Toul
Purple is Besançon:
  1. Besançon
  2. Basel
  3. Lausanne
  4. Belley
Yellow is Tarentaise
  1. Sion
  2. Aosta
  3. Tarentaise
Blue is Salzburg:
  1. Regensburg
  2. Passau
  3. Brixen
  4. Freising
  5. Brixen (historically disconnected)
  6. Salzburg
  7. Gurk
  8. Chiemsee
  9. Seckau
Green is Aquileia (a patriarchate):
  1. Como
  2. Trento
  3. Mantua
  4. Verona
  5. Vicenza
  6. Padua
  7. Ceneda
  8. Lesina
  9. Treviso
  10. Concordia
  11. Aquileia
  12. Trieste
  13. Parenzo
  14. Pola
  15. Pola (not historically disconnected, but I'm limited by the map)
 
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Ispil said:
Unfortunately I'm not having too much luck with the various eparchies of Serbia, Bulgaria, Armenia, or Georgia. I might just have to back-date the modern versions to cover 1337 borders. At least Wikipedia has the eparchies under the medieval Serbian kingdom, but that's the most that I could find.

Ethiopia is likely to be the same.
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For Armenia, try Armenia: A Historical Atlas by Robert H. Hewsen. You should find everything you're looking for there
 
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