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I dont see why Yugoslavia would be part of this sort of thing.

I mean if Hungary is dealt with the alliance with Czechoslovakia becomes defunct,and if Bulgaria is staring down this sort of huge block it may as well become part of Yugoslavia.

At which point the uber Yugoslavia with Greece can easily oppose Italy and remain neutral.

Poland probably wanted to unite the Central/Eastern countries benefit after WW1 under sponsors from the West, and some defeated country with no sponsors from any powers.
Poland at that time was the biggest receiver of aids from British/France. They have bigger tank forces than the US in 1939! So if the West had agreed with the plan and stop aiding Czech, Greece, Romania, Yougoslavie... then the plan could have a chance.

This is Piłsudski's (dream) plan after war with Soviet:
Mi%C4%99dzymorze_%28Intermarum%29_1921-1935.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium#Pi.C5.82sudski.27s_.22Mi.C4.99dzymorze.22
 
The British and Poland already accepted Soviet's reason to enter Eastern territories at that time. They knew better than us. No need to argue!

WHAT?!!!

Poland probably wanted to unite the Central/Eastern countries benefit after WW1 under sponsors from the West, and some defeated country with no sponsors from any powers.
Poland at that time was the biggest receiver of aids from British/France. They have bigger tank forces than the US in 1939! So if the West had agreed with the plan and stop aiding Czech, Greece, Romania, Yougoslavie... then the plan could have a chance.

This is Piłsudski's (dream) plan after war with Soviet:
Mi%C4%99dzymorze_%28Intermarum%29_1921-1935.png

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium#Pi.C5.82sudski.27s_.22Mi.C4.99dzymorze.22

Oh dude. Such nice maps are made by today's fanboys :)
Piłsudski's idea was the federation with Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania only. Independent ones, but with some Polish patronate. Didn't work due to the lack of interest in those countries, especially among the nationalists, and later the Soviet invasion. Over.
 
WHAT?!!!



Oh dude. Such nice maps are made by today's fanboys :)
Piłsudski's idea was the federation with Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania only. Independent ones, but with some Polish patronate. Didn't work due to the lack of interest in those countries, especially among the nationalists, and later the Soviet invasion. Over.
Mi%C4%99dzymorze_%28Intermarum%29_1919-1921.png

is a little more accurate
 
to cavalary, ophanc, anathur and all other stalin lovers. i gived up because i found you will not change your ideal of saint soviets and stalin,and everyone around them was bad.
So i have only one question for all of you - why you dont move to north corea to live there and enjoy all comfort of stalinist regime you are defending so much ?
you dont want to, because you live in democracy ? well, if you love democracy, then why you defend so much dictatorship which is opososite of democracy ? defending of stalins dictatorship and terror regime, will make you first class hypocryte then.
 
Never claimed sainthood fir Stalin and USSR. Only asserted, that everybody else was no better, and that singling SU out is double standard, and re-writing of history by the winners.
I don't give a rat's tail about dictatorship vs democracy. Both have their pros and cons. What you seem to not understand, is that no man can rule a country alone. There is always support, and dictatorships require a lot more support for the rulers from the masses, than democracies.
 
well, if you love democracy, then why you defend so much dictatorship which is opososite of democracy ? defending of stalins dictatorship and terror regime, will make you first class hypocryte then.

no such thing as democracy or dictatorship propaganda for me, the only matter is what action they do for their country and their people! Did you disdain all your country's kings and heros because they are not democracy?!
 
Never claimed sainthood fir Stalin and USSR. Only asserted, that everybody else was no better, and that singling SU out is double standard, and re-writing of history by the winners.
I don't give a rat's tail about dictatorship vs democracy. Both have their pros and cons. What you seem to not understand, is that no man can rule a country alone. There is always support, and dictatorships require a lot more support for the rulers from the masses, than democracies.

well, who repatedly claimed that su did have justficiation to invade finsland, poland and baltic states ? if that is not making su saint, the what is ?
and why is conquring of these states thugs metods and not jsutified ? well, you (or your other comrade) keeping blabling about that these states were theat to su, so totaly ok anexing them.
can you show any similiar metods of democratic states from that period ? (1920-1950).
and this is exactly dictatorship brutality applied to state level. on personal evel it is - oh, did you runned away from nazis to us ? to jail with you, you can be spy, and theat to us, same as 10 000s of others. we cant risk at all, even if all of you are innoncent. we dont need to prove anything.
do you see brutalyity and injustice in that ?
in democracy jailing anyone (or atacking another state) without good reason and/or proof is unjustifiable.

and sure, no one can rule country alone, and from where did you get that in dictatorship it need greater support from masses than in democracy ? thats realy rerded idea. in didcatorship you just need support from very small amound of population, you just need power to suppres any dissent or open revolutions, that it why it is docatorship in first place.
thats why dictarorships in first place allways seek to dismarm thier citizens, to reduce chance of sucesfull revolt.
if you have great support from masses...then why to have dicatorship in fist place ? and not have democracy with elections ?

no such thing as democracy or dictatorship propaganda for me, the only matter is what action they do for their country and their people! Did you disdain all your country's kings and heros because they are not democracy?!

no dictatorship propaganda from you ? then why you allways whitewashed stalins crimes and brutality ?
and mayby in your blood loving country anyone can be hero, even one of geratest murderers in hsitory, but in my country no butcher is hero, even if he was king, the he is hated king. we love kings which CARED of thier peoples, not butchered them for no reason.

and what did statlin POSITIVE for his own peoples ?
industrialization ? oh yeah, at price of milion lives lost and other milions of innoncent send to gulag. wow, nice care of them, he must realy loved them. and im sure, that you never thought that same level , or even bigger one, should be done without any civilian lives loses.
defence against nazi invasion, and his ledership ? oh yeah, his order to not shot at german invaders realy helped soviet citizens, especialy ones killed, captured or living on lost territory. or did you meaned that trade deals with nazis which geratly fueled thier war machine ? when trade with nazi oposition was possible too.
so realy tell me, what stalin did positive for his own peoples ? which ones was anyone else incapable.
 
that was to only to prove that you are wrong :).
 
sure, without feeding of troll you will be allready dead :).
 
well, who repatedly claimed that su did have justficiation to invade finsland, poland and baltic states ? if that is not making su saint, the what is ?
and why is conquring of these states thugs metods and not jsutified ? well, you (or your other comrade) keeping blabling about that these states were theat to su, so totaly ok anexing them.
can you show any similiar metods of democratic states from that period ? (1920-1950).

What, using military force to suppress dissent or to ensure the government of a state was 'friendly'? Well, there's a whole set of US interventions in Latin America, the British and French colonial empires are hardly acting as saints (and the British campaign in Ireland after the Great War has 'questionable' aspects), several other European states have colonial empires which need to be kept under control.
 
What, using military force to suppress dissent or to ensure the government of a state was 'friendly'? Well, there's a whole set of US interventions in Latin America, the British and French colonial empires are hardly acting as saints (and the British campaign in Ireland after the Great War has 'questionable' aspects), several other European states have colonial empires which need to be kept under control.
any outright conquests though?
 
What, using military force to suppress dissent or to ensure the government of a state was 'friendly'? Well, there's a whole set of US interventions in Latin America, the British and French colonial empires are hardly acting as saints (and the British campaign in Ireland after the Great War has 'questionable' aspects), several other European states have colonial empires which need to be kept under control.

1. there is difference between invading of forgein country and keeping order in your colony
2. i never claimed that west was saint
 
any outright conquests though?

That's what the US was doing in Latin America, yes. Invading to get rid of a government that wasn't acting the way they wanted and to ensure 'free and fair' elections returned one that would toe their line. Including leaving some troops in place to train the locals and ensure order.
 
That's what the US was doing in Latin America, yes. Invading to get rid of a government that wasn't acting the way they wanted and to ensure 'free and fair' elections returned one that would toe their line. Including leaving some troops in place to train the locals and ensure order.

can you post any of that invasion in 1900- 1950 period and effects of it ?
and then compare it to efefcts of soviet invasion to poland in 39, winter war and occuping of baltic states. realy looking forward for your elaborate.
 
That's what the US was doing in Latin America, yes. Invading to get rid of a government that wasn't acting the way they wanted and to ensure 'free and fair' elections returned one that would toe their line. Including leaving some troops in place to train the locals and ensure order.
you mean Central America and carribean? US didn't invade latin America proper.
 
can you post any of that invasion in 1900- 1950 period and effects of it ?
and then compare it to efefcts of soviet invasion to poland in 39, winter war and occuping of baltic states. realy looking forward for your elaborate.
at one point or another, from 1900-1920, we had almost every central American and carribean country as a "protectorate"
 
at one point or another, from 1900-1920, we had almost every central American and carribean country as a "protectorate"
You forgot on philipines which were protectorate way longer :).
but i think all comes down to how that protectorate was managed, if it was very hard exploited or managed in good faith. or anything between that.