Following are 14 Spartan replies to Aussie claims against the Spartans. These Aussie accusations were all posted in Paradox forum.
I expect Stalins_Elite's, Mighty-G's and Geofactor's comments to all. It is obvious that Spartan reply is most serious and decent and i expect same from our opponents.
Aussie claim 1 - Spartans were editing saves.
An editing saves issue.
Have you got any saves of our sessions, guys ?
If yes, you know how easy it is to prove such a claim ?
Do you know how serious accusation this is for HOI players like us ?
Probably the worse accusation for any HOI player and especially a host.
Aussie claim 2 - Spartan Germany virtually impossible to have like 500+ ic by war as well as 40 level 3 armour, all brigaded with SP ART. 40 inters and about 100+ brigaded infantry.
An editing saves or supply exploiting issue.
Except of doubting our honesty, you doubt our HOI skills, too. Place your bets gentlemen. I can make it again and again, every single time i play as Germany. Probably the easiest money i will ever get. So, waiting for your bets.
But before doing this, i friendly advice you to load all saves you got, and run some days or even months as Germany. How does it feel, eh ? Perhaps, you are wrong ?
To be precise : Germany by February 1, 1940, had 489/317 ICs, 33 level 3 Armour all brigaded, 127 infantries most brigaded and 45 interceptors.
If Stalins_Elite repeats it is virtually impossible, i expect him to say how much money he bets on this.
Aussie claim 3 - Spartan Italy and Germany joined alliances from day one.
An unknown issue.
name = "4:00 February 8, 1936 : Italy entered our Military Alliance."
Rule was that Italy would join Axis after ending war with Ethiopia. It is clear that this is what happened. I cannot understand Stalins_Elite point here, except the fact that saying that Italy joined Axis from day one is false !!!
Aussie claim 4 - Spartan Italy took nearly 6 months IIRC to annex ethiopia.
A phoney/never ending war issue.
name = "4:00 February 8, 1936 : Ethiopia accepted peace with Italy on the following terms : Return to Status Quo."
name = "4:00 February 8, 1936 : Italy have made Ethiopia their puppet state."
I refuse to comment. What can i say ?
Aussie claim 5 - Spartan Italy took about 3 weeks to annex Albania.
A phoney/never ending war issue.
name = "0:00 March 26, 1939 : Italy declared war upon Albania."
name = "Stalins Elite (everyone):why not landed in albania yet kthnos. more dodgy tactics?"
name = "kthnos (everyone):i am walking"
name = "kthnos (everyone):from the ship"
name = "Stalins Elite (everyone):hope so"
name = "8:00 April 1, 1939 : Italy annexed Albania."
I refuse to comment once again.
Aussie claim 6 - Spartan Axis give units to Allied minors to drain their manpower.
A cheap tactics issue.
Ridiculous claim. Italy sold 5 militia to Canada. No big deal but also not forbidden by rules.
But as Mighty-G complaint about, KostasL as a host offered to edit back. Knupp also claimed this to be a gay tactic in Spartan private discussion.
Anyway, even KostasL thought 5 militia sold to Canada not to be a big issue, he decided that the Spartans would not sell any divisions in the future in any games.
Please, see following post of KostasL in Paradox forum.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281399&page=3&pp=20
After first session i posted this :
After reading my post Mighty posted this reply :
What is wrong in this case ?
Is this a fair tactic ? Did you agree with that, just for having excuses when you loose game, Mighty ?
Because i cannot think of something else. I said that i would restore everything but you said no, all is fair and good.
Most matters in a game are matters of rules accepted and/or things agreed between men who honor their words.
Is it fair for Spartans to be accused for this ? Isn't it gay tactic to agree with opponents just to accuse them later for what you claimed to be fair and good ?
Aussie claim 7 - Spartan Germany get 102 energy to Sweden for 49 supplies, 35 metal, 2 rares and 1.6 in cash ?
An editing saves issue.
Another "editing" issue ? I spent my time to prove what ? Something you should answer to yourselves by spending your own time instead of mine ?
Anyway for your convenience, i show you all my Swedish trades :
treaty = {
id = { type = 16384 id = 302 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1935
month = december
day = 29
metal = -4.0000
energy = 8.0000
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 2545 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = january
day = 1
supplies = -26.7636
metal = 16.6667
energy = 99.9800
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 3802 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = january
day = 20
energy = 14.5000
money = -1.6489
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 5407 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = march
day = 6
supplies = -18.0129
metal = 22.7273
energy = 43.9394
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 7089 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = may
day = 6
supplies = -17.2985
energy = 96.9697
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 9494 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = july
day = 23
supplies = -15.0442
metal = 22.7273
energy = 28.7879
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 40408 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1937
month = august
day = 18
supplies = 16.6667
metal = -60.6061
energy = -99.9800
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 73068 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1938
month = march
day = 12
supplies = 10.3000
metal = -33.3333
energy = -89.3939
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 119903 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1939
month = february
day = 2
supplies = 0.1000
rare_materials = -0.1743
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 163686 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1940
month = march
day = 14
supplies = 1.1000
rare_materials = -1.8525
What is wrong or odd ?
Which agreement was impossible to agree with Sweden and i edited it, risking my reputation as a host ?
Same bullshit i heard after playing one fucking time with Cohen. This ridiculous guy played with us once (he was annexed in 1940 as USA)
and after that game he begun spreading rumours that we edit saves because he thought Germany-Sweden trades was impossible. He didn't say anything during our game.
I accidentally heard about from people in v-net, 6 months later.
Is it possible that experienced players say such things ? Or some people cannot stand being annexed as USA by us during 1940 ? Is this the case ?
Aussie claim 8 - Spartan Japan's Phoney or never ending Wars.
A phoney/never ending war and rules misunderstanding issue.
Let's define something here. Most people got this wrong i am afraid.
What is a phoney (telephone) war ? It is a distant war of two nations that have no contact at all (like USSR dow Brazil).
Main reason for doing such a silly war is to get war economy cutting consumer goods to half. Japan did no phoney war at all.
Did Japan DOW a country delaying to annex or puppet it? No, Japan had wars annexing or puppeting countries without deliberately delaying. So, this is not phoney/never ending war issue.
In game rules and settings it is clear that this was not meant to be a single game. Aussies would be Axis in second game, so this Japanese strategy is definitely by no means unfair.
But still, if we knew how much important was this issue for the Aussies we would consider else.
name = "Geoslate (everyone):no plans to annex singkiang?"
name = "Geoslate (everyone)
r commie china?"
name = "Geoslate (everyone)
r tibet"
name = "Knupp (everyone):both 3 in 29 december geo"
name = "Geoslate (everyone):guess you can keep em goin till at war with me....if you play your cards right"
name = "Geoslate (everyone):war economy is good"
name = "Geoslate (everyone):how long you been at war with singkiang knupp?"
name = "Knupp (everyone):geo i told u i reach 29 december there"
name = "Knupp (everyone):whats the problem mate?"
name = "Geoslate (everyone):just asking"
name = "Knupp (everyone)
k"
name = "13:00 December 21, 1940 : Japan annexed Tibet."
name = "6:00 December 27, 1940 : Japan have made Communist China their puppet state."
name = "21:00 December 30, 1940 : Nationalist China annexed Sinkiang."
name = "7:00 January 1, 1941 : Japan declared war upon Afghanistan."
name = "Geoslate (everyone):i see you have solved the war economy knupp"
name = "Knupp (everyone):yepp"
Above dialogues from history show Geo a bit nervous and Knupp relaxed.
Why is that Geo ? Did we want to robb you and your mates ?
Next game wasn't agreed that you take Japan and could do same ?
You all seemed to forget this, during our game and seemed to consider our game, a single game like the usual HOI multis.
I expect Stalins_Elite's, Mighty-G's and Geofactor's comments to all. It is obvious that Spartan reply is most serious and decent and i expect same from our opponents.
Aussie claim 1 - Spartans were editing saves.
An editing saves issue.
Have you got any saves of our sessions, guys ?
If yes, you know how easy it is to prove such a claim ?
Do you know how serious accusation this is for HOI players like us ?
Probably the worse accusation for any HOI player and especially a host.
Aussie claim 2 - Spartan Germany virtually impossible to have like 500+ ic by war as well as 40 level 3 armour, all brigaded with SP ART. 40 inters and about 100+ brigaded infantry.
An editing saves or supply exploiting issue.
Except of doubting our honesty, you doubt our HOI skills, too. Place your bets gentlemen. I can make it again and again, every single time i play as Germany. Probably the easiest money i will ever get. So, waiting for your bets.
But before doing this, i friendly advice you to load all saves you got, and run some days or even months as Germany. How does it feel, eh ? Perhaps, you are wrong ?
To be precise : Germany by February 1, 1940, had 489/317 ICs, 33 level 3 Armour all brigaded, 127 infantries most brigaded and 45 interceptors.
If Stalins_Elite repeats it is virtually impossible, i expect him to say how much money he bets on this.
Aussie claim 3 - Spartan Italy and Germany joined alliances from day one.
An unknown issue.
name = "4:00 February 8, 1936 : Italy entered our Military Alliance."
Rule was that Italy would join Axis after ending war with Ethiopia. It is clear that this is what happened. I cannot understand Stalins_Elite point here, except the fact that saying that Italy joined Axis from day one is false !!!
Aussie claim 4 - Spartan Italy took nearly 6 months IIRC to annex ethiopia.
A phoney/never ending war issue.
name = "4:00 February 8, 1936 : Ethiopia accepted peace with Italy on the following terms : Return to Status Quo."
name = "4:00 February 8, 1936 : Italy have made Ethiopia their puppet state."
I refuse to comment. What can i say ?
Aussie claim 5 - Spartan Italy took about 3 weeks to annex Albania.
A phoney/never ending war issue.
name = "0:00 March 26, 1939 : Italy declared war upon Albania."
name = "Stalins Elite (everyone):why not landed in albania yet kthnos. more dodgy tactics?"
name = "kthnos (everyone):i am walking"
name = "kthnos (everyone):from the ship"
name = "Stalins Elite (everyone):hope so"
name = "8:00 April 1, 1939 : Italy annexed Albania."
I refuse to comment once again.
Aussie claim 6 - Spartan Axis give units to Allied minors to drain their manpower.
A cheap tactics issue.
Ridiculous claim. Italy sold 5 militia to Canada. No big deal but also not forbidden by rules.
But as Mighty-G complaint about, KostasL as a host offered to edit back. Knupp also claimed this to be a gay tactic in Spartan private discussion.
Anyway, even KostasL thought 5 militia sold to Canada not to be a big issue, he decided that the Spartans would not sell any divisions in the future in any games.
Please, see following post of KostasL in Paradox forum.
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?t=281399&page=3&pp=20
After first session i posted this :
It would be great.
I think that we shall not give anything to Allied minors. This is for next session but also for all future sessions with Aussies.
I was just surprised by UK's whining and as i don't want anyone to break my balls this action will be forbidden in the future. All units given to Allied minors will be disbanded.
After reading my post Mighty posted this reply :
No, dont do that, it has allready taken time and ic to restaff those units play as it is.
Sorry mate but i wasnt whining, perhaps more of sarcasm then whining
I had a bitch in the game the other night because it is a pretty low tactic, if you have to resort to giving an enemy nation units, but it is your tournament or what not and i have agreed to play within the bounds of your rules.
All is fair and good, no need to remove said units. You made a comment when we started that axis usually loose in your games, im just hinting to the factor that giving units to the allies probably doesnt help that cause.
See use this morning
What is wrong in this case ?
Is this a fair tactic ? Did you agree with that, just for having excuses when you loose game, Mighty ?
Because i cannot think of something else. I said that i would restore everything but you said no, all is fair and good.
Most matters in a game are matters of rules accepted and/or things agreed between men who honor their words.
Is it fair for Spartans to be accused for this ? Isn't it gay tactic to agree with opponents just to accuse them later for what you claimed to be fair and good ?
Aussie claim 7 - Spartan Germany get 102 energy to Sweden for 49 supplies, 35 metal, 2 rares and 1.6 in cash ?
An editing saves issue.
Another "editing" issue ? I spent my time to prove what ? Something you should answer to yourselves by spending your own time instead of mine ?
Anyway for your convenience, i show you all my Swedish trades :
treaty = {
id = { type = 16384 id = 302 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1935
month = december
day = 29
metal = -4.0000
energy = 8.0000
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 2545 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = january
day = 1
supplies = -26.7636
metal = 16.6667
energy = 99.9800
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 3802 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = january
day = 20
energy = 14.5000
money = -1.6489
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 5407 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = march
day = 6
supplies = -18.0129
metal = 22.7273
energy = 43.9394
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 7089 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = may
day = 6
supplies = -17.2985
energy = 96.9697
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 9494 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1936
month = july
day = 23
supplies = -15.0442
metal = 22.7273
energy = 28.7879
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 40408 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1937
month = august
day = 18
supplies = 16.6667
metal = -60.6061
energy = -99.9800
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 73068 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1938
month = march
day = 12
supplies = 10.3000
metal = -33.3333
energy = -89.3939
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 119903 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1939
month = february
day = 2
supplies = 0.1000
rare_materials = -0.1743
treaty = {
id = { type = 4712 id = 163686 }
type = trade
country = "SWE"
country = "GER"
startdate = {
year = 1940
month = march
day = 14
supplies = 1.1000
rare_materials = -1.8525
What is wrong or odd ?
Which agreement was impossible to agree with Sweden and i edited it, risking my reputation as a host ?
Same bullshit i heard after playing one fucking time with Cohen. This ridiculous guy played with us once (he was annexed in 1940 as USA)
and after that game he begun spreading rumours that we edit saves because he thought Germany-Sweden trades was impossible. He didn't say anything during our game.
I accidentally heard about from people in v-net, 6 months later.
Is it possible that experienced players say such things ? Or some people cannot stand being annexed as USA by us during 1940 ? Is this the case ?
Aussie claim 8 - Spartan Japan's Phoney or never ending Wars.
A phoney/never ending war and rules misunderstanding issue.
Let's define something here. Most people got this wrong i am afraid.
What is a phoney (telephone) war ? It is a distant war of two nations that have no contact at all (like USSR dow Brazil).
Main reason for doing such a silly war is to get war economy cutting consumer goods to half. Japan did no phoney war at all.
Did Japan DOW a country delaying to annex or puppet it? No, Japan had wars annexing or puppeting countries without deliberately delaying. So, this is not phoney/never ending war issue.
In game rules and settings it is clear that this was not meant to be a single game. Aussies would be Axis in second game, so this Japanese strategy is definitely by no means unfair.
But still, if we knew how much important was this issue for the Aussies we would consider else.
name = "Geoslate (everyone):no plans to annex singkiang?"
name = "Geoslate (everyone)
name = "Geoslate (everyone)
name = "Knupp (everyone):both 3 in 29 december geo"
name = "Geoslate (everyone):guess you can keep em goin till at war with me....if you play your cards right"
name = "Geoslate (everyone):war economy is good"
name = "Geoslate (everyone):how long you been at war with singkiang knupp?"
name = "Knupp (everyone):geo i told u i reach 29 december there"
name = "Knupp (everyone):whats the problem mate?"
name = "Geoslate (everyone):just asking"
name = "Knupp (everyone)
name = "13:00 December 21, 1940 : Japan annexed Tibet."
name = "6:00 December 27, 1940 : Japan have made Communist China their puppet state."
name = "21:00 December 30, 1940 : Nationalist China annexed Sinkiang."
name = "7:00 January 1, 1941 : Japan declared war upon Afghanistan."
name = "Geoslate (everyone):i see you have solved the war economy knupp"
name = "Knupp (everyone):yepp"
Above dialogues from history show Geo a bit nervous and Knupp relaxed.
Why is that Geo ? Did we want to robb you and your mates ?
Next game wasn't agreed that you take Japan and could do same ?
You all seemed to forget this, during our game and seemed to consider our game, a single game like the usual HOI multis.