Stats and Scale??

[Dr Rare]

Can anyone remember or find the FAQ that states the scale of the game

eg.What does one manpower equal?How many men are represented by different divisions.

How many ships or planes do their different divisions represent ?

Dr

 

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The units are abstract. They should represent whatever number of individual entities made up the military component of each nation. I.e. a destroyer flotilla is either 4 or 5, a division can be between 18,000 and 30,000+ men.

Whats more important is to think of the formation and its comparative strength against the formation of another nation. For instance, a Japanese division may have been 2-5000 men less than a British division, but fighting strength was more or less teh same, as was its ability to take number objectives.

If anything the length of a front, the area of an air sector would have to be fought by whatever level of organisation was to sent to fight there.

 

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If I remember correctly, 1 manpower point is between 500 and 1000 men. A division thus represents between 5 and 15000 thousand men (before you rag on me about this remember the cutting edge combat strength of a 10 battalion division is less than 5000 men, the rest are cooks, drivers, signals, supply etc etc, most likely to "escape" from a bad situation unless surrounded).

An Air unit represents about 100 combat planes (give or take).

A Destroyer/Sub unit is 5 to 10 vessels. A transport unit is also 10 ships.

All other naval units are single ships though a cruiser may be a pair of ships (can't remember).

 

[Dr Rare]

Thanks people this is the sort of info i wanted....I am sure there was so info about it in the FAQ?..somewhere??

I to remember Transports being 10 ships and a carrier being 1 ship ,but i think battleships represent 2 ??

Any more offers?

 

[Dr Rare]

Back to Scale...

Ok ,Back to this thread ,rather than opening a new one on the same subject as i am wondering still/again about in game unit scales....

IIRC Hoi1 has a in game Naval units scale to actual vessels something like this.....

Battleship =1 vessel
Carrier =2 vessels
Cruiser =3 to 4 vessels?
Submarines =10 vessels?
Destroyers =10 vessels
Transports =20 Vessels

But i cannot remember for sure exactly or where i read it in FAQ's ,readme's or manual's?

The one i most unsure of is Cruisers as they might represent 3-6 ships???

Does anyone remember the correct naval units scale in the Hoi1 game?



Dr

 

[bestmajor]

Battleship =1 vessel
Carrier =2 vessels
Cruiser =3 to 4 vessels?
Submarines =10 vessels?
Destroyers =10 vessels
Transports =20 Vessels

this is hardly possible: 4 cruisers would knock out a battleship for sure and this never happens in hoi.

also i think the air units are smaller. a group of 100 planes could take out a whole fleet with air launched torpedoes.

maybe theres some information how many ships it takes to transport a tank division (ie 250 tanks + 15000 men AFAIK) to determine how many ships are these.

bm

EDIT: for the rank system this would mean (no matter which interpretation you follow) that the lowest rank is a captain.

 

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The one i most unsure of is Cruisers as they might represent 3-6 ships???

Does anyone remember the correct naval units scale in the Hoi1 game?

Dr

Capital Ships (BB's, CV's and Cruisers) all represent 1 vessel, dd's and subs both number 5 and Transports 10.

On MP, most people agreed that 1 unit stands for around a 1000 men while an Airgroup consisted of 100 planes. The differences in size between the divisions of various nations are mostly handled through the Brigades (which consist of 2 MP's themselves). To play an "historical" SU for example one would build most divisions unbrigaded.

 

[Dr Rare]

Capital Ships (BB's, CV's and Cruisers) all represent 1 vessel, dd's and subs both number 5 and Transports 10.

On MP, most people agreed that 1 unit stands for around a 1000 men while an Airgroup consisted of 100 planes. The differences in size between the divisions of various nations are mostly handled through the Brigades (which consist of 2 MP's themselves). To play an "historical" SU for example one would build most divisions unbrigaded.

Cool thanks for the info RK!BM had pretty much convinced me that crusiers were single units aslo thanks.
But both the manuals official and user made do say that Carriers represent 2 units?

I am not sure if you are correct about the destroyer and transport scales also though as when you send destroyers to the convoy pool they add 10 destroyers to the escort pool and when you send transports to convoy duties they add 20 units to the transport pool?

But Submarines may represent 5 units?

Any more offers or confirmations anyone???

Dr

 

[bestmajor]

comparing build time / build cost and fuel/supplies consumption it seems logical for me that carriers are also 1 unit.

the only thing i would like to know what an air group is (or what it represents).

i think they're smaller then 100 planes as the stats are so low (eg naval/torpedo bombers).

bm

 

[Dr Rare]

the only thing i would like to know what an air group is (or what it represents).

i think they're smaller then 100 planes as the stats are so low (eg naval/torpedo bombers).

bm

From the CORE Air Warfare.pdf.....

Definition of the "Air Unit" - in CORE .
The Standard Air Unit represents 70-90 planes
only exception to that rule is the carrier air group
C.A.G- 30 planes.

Dr