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OlaHaldor said:
I don't see the problem, to be honest.. I'm a norwegian too, but I'd rather buy and download the games straight from Steam than going a few blocks down the street to the nearest gamestop or "platekompaniet" to buy a game that is often the same price or slightly more expensive. Boxed games is a dying breed.

As for Steam, I love the idea of having it all on an account where I can click "install" in the UI and within moments it's ready to play, rather than download an install file, and manually installing it. I don't like having games spread all over different digital stores with different ways of distributing the games.. Some provide their own download app, some just give you a big setup.exe-ish file. No thanks!
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Well i do have a problem with Steam.. The main thing that concerns me. Is what happens if they go bust and Steam have admitted this that they could go broke. If you have thousands of dollars worth of games you could lose the lot. I know Steam have said they will issue patches but that's for Valve own games. You would then have to rely on publishers like Paradox to release patches for there own games. And if you dont have the discs and you just download off Steam then there is the question if you will be able to access it if Steam go broke.
 
irc said:
But I have bought CiM in a box, not as a download. There is basically no need to go online with CiM. Where the hell does the need for employing steam arise here? As a copy protection? Well, that worked great, didn't it?
Why tie the life time of a game to the life time of a third-party platform? Why force customers to register for a useless service, while all they want to do is to play the fucking game?
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You mean that you have to connect to steam even with a box version ? That's strange... very strange...
As far as I know, no paradox game has to be played while connected to steam, so I guess there's something wrong.
 
Zarine said:
You mean that you have to connect to steam even with a box version ? That's strange... very strange...
As far as I know, no paradox game has to be played while connected to steam, so I guess there's something wrong.
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No that's not strange. Warband also uses Steam which is published by Paradox.
 
@joasoze

as far as i know, you have to remember that you do that at home :/

let me qoute from the official steam site:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-agcb-2555

"The Steam client application's files must be updated to allow for the use of Offline Mode. If your game's status is "100% - Ready" but you receive the message "This game cannot be started in Offline Mode" when attempting to play offline, the Steam client application's files need to be updated.

Firewall settings preventing Steam from updating itself are the most common cause for this problem. Please see the Troubleshooting Network Connectivity topic for instructions to configure your network so Steam may update if you encounter any difficulties with Offline Mode."
 
@rickomanio - thanks a lot.
If that isnt a touch intrusive then what is? Internet falls out and I am sitting there with a brand new game and need to go online to get offline. Bordering on ironic!
 
Yes thats really ironic, but better than this ubilauncher or other DRM's. The good old uncomplicated times, where games only had to bought, are over. Now we need a inexpensive system that provides fast internet all over the world in every corner. Then, this discussion would be needless.
 
Svenne Bananers said:
I thought someone mentioned somewhere on this forum (yeah, really vague -- is this even true?) that using Steam only gives you a right to play the game/s you have bought there. So basically you don't own the game even though you've paid for it? It might be improbable but let's say Steam servers go down for good; how then are you able to play everything you've actually bought?

Had Steam on my home computer at some point as a friend of mine thought that would be an easy way for us play the same games online. Have though since uninstalled Steam and do not have much of use for it.
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I'm relatively certain you don't actually own the games you buy on disc either, and discs sadly don't last forever. Results vary hugely of course, but I had to buy Command & Conquer the First Decade a few years ago because my Red Alert 1 and 2 discs had all gone rotten, and no computer would read them anymore. On the other hand, I have games on disc much older than Red Alert 1 that still work fine. But yeah, no guarantees with discs either.

Valve however has guaranteed that if they ever go bust, unlikely though it is, they will allow anyone to backup all the games they've bought freely.
 
@rickomanio - Gamersgate and Impulse still lets you play as you wish. I love Gamersgate. Can log on anytime and download my games. Patches as well. No client needed. Impulse is fine too, client only needed for getting game or updating. Not for playing.
 
If Valve goes bust then they will be at the mercy of some lawyers representing the estate or whatever you call it. They cannot deciede anything if they are bust. Not that this will happen anytime soon.
 
woz said:
Well i do have a problem with Steam.. The main thing that concerns me. Is what happens if they go bust and Steam have admitted this that they could go broke. If you have thousands of dollars worth of games you could lose the lot. I know Steam have said they will issue patches but that's for Valve own games. You would then have to rely on publishers like Paradox to release patches for there own games. And if you dont have the discs and you just download off Steam then there is the question if you will be able to access it if Steam go broke.
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That's why i don't buy full price games on Steam (except Empire: Total War which was a BIG MISTAKE I WILL NEVER DO AGAIN ;)).
I just don't want them to go bankrupt (or have them deliberately shutting down their service) one day and lose hundreds of Euros this way. What i do and what Steam is great for though is to grab cheap games on weekend deals and other sales or get older games that are already at a reduced price. I know if i buy tons of cheap games there's a huge amount of money on my Steam account as well, but all in all it's not so much different to losing some game discs over the years or simply not being able to play old disc games because of incompatibilities with modern operating systems or hardware. Nothing is forever and if i'm aware of the risk of losing the Steam games and thus choosing the games i buy there wisely the possible loss isn't all that bad.

And since CiM was only 20€ i just couldn't resist... :D
 
Svenne Bananers said:
I thought someone mentioned somewhere on this forum (yeah, really vague -- is this even true?) that using Steam only gives you a right to play the game/s you have bought there. So basically you don't own the game even though you've paid for it? It might be improbable but let's say Steam servers go down for good; how then are you able to play everything you've actually bought?

Had Steam on my home computer at some point as a friend of mine thought that would be an easy way for us play the same games online. Have though since uninstalled Steam and do not have much of use for it.
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When you buy ANY games... even as far back as Tetris, you dont OWN the game. You buy the licence to play it!
 
Hmm ok then i dont understand why the other versions including the store version, use steam..the GG version dont have any protection..this is senseless in my eyes..but maybe the price of the game is so low that it dont really need a good protection..only the publisher can explain that :)
 
Wakeupcall said:
When you buy ANY games... even as far back as Tetris, you dont OWN the game. You buy the licence to play it!
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Stop spewing such misinformed crap around you. That's as wrong as things can get, and only a very recent reinterpretation by the publishers in order to stop people from reselling their games, which is also one of the reasons I suspect steam was used here. We are experiencing a slow, but steady removal of rights. The original gameboy copy of Tetris I POSSESS might be copyrighted to hell, but it is my PROPERTY, and am not required to have a licence to play it.

I'm returning CiM tomorrow, and play something else. Good bye!
 
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rickomanio said:
@joasoze

as far as i know, you have to remember that you do that at home :/

let me qoute from the official steam site:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=3160-agcb-2555

"The Steam client application's files must be updated to allow for the use of Offline Mode. If your game's status is "100% - Ready" but you receive the message "This game cannot be started in Offline Mode" when attempting to play offline, the Steam client application's files need to be updated.

Firewall settings preventing Steam from updating itself are the most common cause for this problem. Please see the Troubleshooting Network Connectivity topic for instructions to configure your network so Steam may update if you encounter any difficulties with Offline Mode."
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AFAIK you have to start the game once while online to enable offline mode. So if you bought the game and played it once while online you don´t have to do anything in order to be able to play it offline. So no need to check an offline option before traveling or such a thing, just play it once and you are good to go.
 
Dont you guys get bored with complaining about Steam already?
If you are that concerned about 'DRM crippling' Steam, then read the box before you buy, if it says you need Steam, dont buy, YOUR LOSS. But dont constantly plauge forums complaining (cause you know deep down you will end up installing Steam, hehe).

And for the rest of us who have embraced the like of Steam long ago, and have had not problems with it, and are currently enjoying CIM, Game on!

As for the 'Steam might go bust' thats most unlikely as they are growing massively and im sure the CD/DVD's that you buy in the store will be in the same league as the 5¼-inch floppy disks are now if and when Steam does go bust.

So if you dont like Steam, dont cry about it, its your loss.
 
Steam has 70% of PC download market. It's clearly cause they are evil. I'm sure people complain about STEAM DRM (and theirs isn't even bad at all) because there are no cracks for it.

GTFO pirates. I'm gonna enjoy my growing STEAM library of 72 games (at the moment).
 
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