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I had a sudden, unwarned "surrender" that ended my game the other day, and I was hoping I could get some clarity.

I have been playing as Neuchatel (count), and my game has been pretty slow to develop so far (which has been fine with me as I have been learning about all of the family development and province management stuff).

I finally started to get bold enough to try some expansion. I first expanded into Valais, which had sworn allegiance to the Kingdom of Leon. I brought Germany into the fight with me, took Valais, got peace with Leon, and let Germany fight it out with Leon. I felt like a political mastermind after my first engagement... (Then I gave Valais to my son, and he promptly went to war to claim independence from Germany and got steamrolled - so I'm back to square one.)

By this time, Germany is slowly having more and more vassals break away when the king dies. I opt to go independent, place a claim on Bern (deciding that this time I will drive towards forming a Duchy (Upper Lorraine?)). Bern is a vassal of Germany, but Germany is slowly falling apart. I finally decide to declare war, and quickly take over Bern. I get Bern in the peace treaty - and so only have to figure out how to get peace with Germany. I walk into Geneva (a German demense) and siege it. Then I walk to Bensacon (another German demense). I try to get a peace treaty while on the way, but Germany won't go for it - even though I have plenty of war score for the deal I offer.

While sieging Bensacon, I get an event that tells me that the Pope is enacting the "Peace of God" with Germany. I either go along with it - or risk excommunication. Not being up for the challenge of excommunication yet, I go with it. I expected that I would get an immediate peace with Germany (what I wanted, anyway). However, the siege goes on and I occupy Bensacon, too. I offer a peace to Germany again - and despite having a war score above 130, and only asking for about 40-50 in demands (mainly recognition as the rightful ruler of Neuchatel and Bern), Germany says no.

I relax my troops for a while, then decide that I really want to end this, so start heading off to Chur (another German demesne). As my army marches, I suddenly get a "surrender" screen - no warning, no nothing, just game over.

I had sons, so it wasn't that I died. The only thing I can think of is that I must have violated something with the "Peace of God" event and a lightning bolt must have struck my entire family down.

Does anyone have any idea what happened?
 
The Germans were totally back on their heels. They were nowhere around. (There was a <300 man army in Aargau that hadn't even thought about advancing towards me when I started to move in the direction of Chur.)

I'm starting to think that I should go back to the last auto-save and see what happens from there. Maybe I just caught a glitch.
 
Mooncusser said:
I had a sudden, unwarned "surrender" that ended my game the other day, and I was hoping I could get some clarity.

I have been playing as Neuchatel (count), and my game has been pretty slow to develop so far (which has been fine with me as I have been learning about all of the family development and province management stuff).

I finally started to get bold enough to try some expansion. I first expanded into Valais, which had sworn allegiance to the Kingdom of Leon. I brought Germany into the fight with me, took Valais, got peace with Leon, and let Germany fight it out with Leon. I felt like a political mastermind after my first engagement... (Then I gave Valais to my son, and he promptly went to war to claim independence from Germany and got steamrolled - so I'm back to square one.)

By this time, Germany is slowly having more and more vassals break away when the king dies. I opt to go independent, place a claim on Bern (deciding that this time I will drive towards forming a Duchy (Upper Lorraine?)). Bern is a vassal of Germany, but Germany is slowly falling apart. I finally decide to declare war, and quickly take over Bern. I get Bern in the peace treaty - and so only have to figure out how to get peace with Germany. I walk into Geneva (a German demense) and siege it. Then I walk to Bensacon (another German demense). I try to get a peace treaty while on the way, but Germany won't go for it - even though I have plenty of war score for the deal I offer.

While sieging Bensacon, I get an event that tells me that the Pope is enacting the "Peace of God" with Germany. I either go along with it - or risk excommunication. Not being up for the challenge of excommunication yet, I go with it. I expected that I would get an immediate peace with Germany (what I wanted, anyway). However, the siege goes on and I occupy Bensacon, too. I offer a peace to Germany again - and despite having a war score above 130, and only asking for about 40-50 in demands (mainly recognition as the rightful ruler of Neuchatel and Bern), Germany says no.

I relax my troops for a while, then decide that I really want to end this, so start heading off to Chur (another German demesne). As my army marches, I suddenly get a "surrender" screen - no warning, no nothing, just game over.

I had sons, so it wasn't that I died. The only thing I can think of is that I must have violated something with the "Peace of God" event and a lightning bolt must have struck my entire family down.

Does anyone have any idea what happened?
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What is your inheritance law?? ... if elective, and your sons are not first in line, then someone else gets the county title and you will be game over.
 
It sure sounds like a glitch, because event should have ended your war and from that point onwards things worked in the way which they shouldn't have.
 
TempestDK said:
What is your inheritance law?? ... if elective, and your sons are not first in line, then someone else gets the county title and you will be game over.
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I can't remember what succession law I was exactly, but it was definitely not elective. I was one of the laws where the first-born son gets the succession (whether it could be through a female heir or not, I don't remember, but it didn't matter, as I had two sons ready to inherit).

I am certain I was OK in this respect, as the whole game I had monitored my family relations and succession - and my 1st born son was always 1st in line. My problem at the time was that both of my sons (or their wives) were the least fertile people ever and had no sons of their own ready, even though they (and their wives) were in their 30s. I was expecting to be forced to knock off a wife or two at some point in the future, if necessary.
 
Olaus Petrus said:
It sure sounds like a glitch, because event should have ended your war and from that point onwards things worked in the way which they shouldn't have.
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I am leaning towards this answer - as that was the effect that I was expecting from the "Peace of God" event. I was thrilled at the time, because even though the German Kingdom was back on it's heels, I really just wanted to end the war and claim my first real province. (Plus, Bern was in bad shape and needed some economic help.)

When nothing happened after the event, I thought it was strange. (But, then again, the real "Peace of God" event during the Black Plague had almost no effect either...)

I have since restarted as the Count of Sundgau (which I quickly turned into the Duchy of Alsace). I have taken a lot of lessons from that first game and have done a much better job of picking wives for myself and my brothers (3 brothers - 2 normal and healthy, 1 inbred, all from the same parents... I went far and wide and away from the local gene pool on their wife selections. I'm a little concerned that my own genetic pool may be a little shallow, but so far no bad effects.)
 
Peace through events is a bugged, the event will only result in a peace for you and the liege you are at war with. If you were also at war with some of his vassals then the peace won't count for them.

This could be the reason for your game-end or while you were besieging Besancon, someone else took over the kingtitle of Germany.
 
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