Suggestion: Remove Suggestions Forum and many others

[Edmon]

These forums exist only to punish those who follow the rules, while people who post their suggestions, AAR's, lets plays, guides, etc in the General Forum get their stuff seen, responded to and viewed. Especially by developers.

Remove them and just have one forum.

 

[cub298]

all this is is that so we can all have certain conversations in one place and not be overwhelmed with help on topics some people are not interested in. I understand that conversations there get more traction, but if everyone posted there it would get crowded fast.

 

[grommile]

Remove them and just have one forum.

Both solutions are bad.

The only question is what kind of badness you get.

 

[Trin Tragula]

While post frequency varies be assured some of us do read this forum every day.
There can be many reasons for replies not being immediate, from wanting to be sure about something to not being able to divulge something that's planned, to simple lack of time (the price of talking to devs directly on the forums rather than pr people is that we contribute as time allows).
As always feel free to ping a relevant dev if you think your idea is being overlooked.

When it comes to gamer contributions far more things have gotten into the game via this forum than the general one since it was opened. From loads of national ideas to bigger things like the devotion system for theocracies.
I'd hate to see this forum go personally as I find it quite useful.

 

[Edmon]

While post frequency varies be assured some of us do read this forum every day.
There can be many reasons for replies not being immediate, from wanting to be sure about something to not being able to divulge something that's planned, to simple lack of time (the price of talking to devs directly on the forums rather than pr people is that we contribute as time allows).
As always feel free to ping a relevant dev if you think your idea is being overlooked.

When it comes to gamer contributions far more things have gotten into the game via this forum than the general one since it was opened. From loads of national ideas to bigger things like the devotion system for theocracies.
I'd hate to see this forum go personally as I find it quite useful.

Well, that is fair enough. I know that the suggestions forum at least has gotten some attention recently, but what about (for example) the guides forum? When was the last time anyone even went in there?

Perhaps some rationalisation would be a good idea?

 

[FleetingRain]

It's mostly about "having faith" the devs read this forum, even when they don't make themselves acknowledged. What's worse, having no comments at all or all threads having a "duly noted" reply?


Then again, I'm talking about Suggestions. The other subforums really look barren.

 

[Me_]

It's still better than the CK2 suggestion forum - not a single suggestion has ever been implemented, sans perhaps some minor database changes.

 

[cub298]

It's still better than the CK2 suggestion forum - not a single suggestion has ever been implemented, sans perhaps some minor database changes.

IDK. I think a lot of players had lost interest in CK2 because of some of the changes to the game. That and some of the major youtubers really don't play it as much. It is also very buggy still and is beginning to be lost in the time gap of it being created and many people might believe they changed it so much, since its creation, where it is too complex/hard to learn or keep order your country. It is also very micro intensive.

Also if nothing suggested get implemented and because of it no one speaks there, then yes, it would end up being the project lead or paradox's fault for not encouraging people to speak there and putting in people's ideas. It is also maybe that the fans of the game have not really liked the game as much compared to some of the other games paradox created (or have moved on). I do like the game but they would really have to fix it to where there would be not as many bugs and take it so that micro would help yet it is not always required.

 

[Gaussia]

I would just liek to see a serious crackdown on suggestions in the main forum.

Just lock all threads that can be considered suggestions in the main forum (or move them here). After a time people will learn this is were suggestions belong, and will actually use it.

 

[cub298]

it would be nice

 

[Maq]

It seems that threads posted in main subforum actually get many more readers and responses.
Yet I still believe that suggestions posted in suggestions subforum have better chance to be read and seriously considered by the developers.
Unfortunately, my personal experience does not actually support such premise. All my suggestions remain without any sign of being read by those whom they are addressed to in the first place.
Admittedly, I'm just an average user, and modder-beginner, so I can hardly expect premium attention. Yet I can imagine vividly that some members prefer main subforum (with many more responses from among the community) precisely to avoid frustration from being unheard and completely ignored. Among recent examples @Grand Historian 's thread-petition for enhancing dynastic and relating features comes to mind. Dozens and dozens supportive voices... yet not even a word from the developers. Quite depressing, I can tell you.

 

[Dutchman251]

I, however, have seen some of my suggestions implemented - in one or another form. So I know that they do read this forum, even if the proofs are thin.

 

[cub298]

They have even said that even if they may not comment on all of the discussions they at least glance over them and understand the basic concepts of the discussions. If enough of the devs would believe that it would be good for the game, then I believe they would put it in.

 

[Grand Historian]

Admittedly, I'm just an average user, and modder-beginner, so I can hardly expect premium attention. Yet I can imagine vividly that some members prefer main subforum (with many more responses from among the community) precisely to avoid frustration from being unheard and completely ignored. Among recent examples @Grand Historian 's thread-petition for enhancing dynastic and relating features comes to mind. Dozens and dozens supportive voices... yet not even a word from the developers. Quite depressing, I can tell you.

Ditto, though in all fairness, that thread's a petition for a possible focus of a future expansion, so I'm not exactly expecting one of the devs to come and outright say that they are or aren't planning on doing it for numerous reasons, but them clicking the helpful button a bit more often would be much appreciated (as I do recall that being their way of saying they've read a post).

 

[Me_]

We kind of reached the end of what suggestions can be added. NI are mostly covered and the remaining few seem to have been forgotten even by the most detail-oriented players.

Suggesting mechanics is pointless, yes - my idea of devotion was added, but it was the only mechanic suggested to ever be added.

Suggesting events, quests and decisions is mostly pointless too, as they never get added, although some suggestions resulted in Paradox adding their own events, etc. (e.g. for Tuscany or Orissa).

Suggesting nations/provinces is mostly pointless as the map is pretty much full, with only Regensburg being Bavarian instead of a free city and Epirus being Ottoman instead of independent.

Suggesting formable nations is pretty much done as there are not many left to imagine. Yuan, maybe.

Suggesting history files changes is pointless, as history files are no longer supported.

Suggesting balance changes is pointless, as Paradox makes balance decisions by themselves.

The only thing left that comes to my mind, is some unique government flavour, but I doubt that it would have any chance of being added as that mostly falls under "mechanics".

It might be nice if Paradox promoted the suggestion forum by running some kind of contest to e.g. suggest events/missions as those are the easiest to come up with and implement.

 

[Indigo Blue]

We kind of reached the end of what suggestions can be added. NI are mostly covered and the remaining few seem to have been forgotten even by the most detail-oriented players.

Suggesting mechanics is pointless, yes - my idea of devotion was added, but it was the only mechanic suggested to ever be added.

Suggesting events, quests and decisions is mostly pointless too, as they never get added, although some suggestions resulted in Paradox adding their own events, etc. (e.g. for Tuscany or Orissa).

Suggesting nations/provinces is mostly pointless as the map is pretty much full, with only Regensburg being Bavarian instead of a free city and Epirus being Ottoman instead of independent.

Suggesting formable nations is pretty much done as there are not many left to imagine. Yuan, maybe.

Suggesting history files changes is pointless, as history files are no longer supported.

Suggesting balance changes is pointless, as Paradox makes balance decisions by themselves.

That game is at the end of its possible development. I sincerely doubt that - I mean between every DLC released there has been significant changes that overhauled the game in ways that changed how to play. I've played across the release of like 4 major dlcs and without really digging into bug patches and stuff I ended up relearning an entirely new game.

I mean as is outside of Europe most of the countries have little in the way of history or flavor - which to a large degree is detail work and it only impacts the players in those areas, but it gives significantly more depth to the game. Though I gotta say if the devs easter egged some random insane bonuses into a Pueblo nation I doubt anyone would notice...

But there are whole hosts of things that can be done to give more depth to economic/social/civil infrastructure in the game which is currently very one dimensional.

 

[Me_]

That game is at the end of its possible development. I sincerely doubt that - I mean between every DLC released there has been significant changes that overhauled the game in ways that changed how to play. I've played across the release of like 4 major dlcs and without really digging into bug patches and stuff I ended up relearning an entirely new game.

I mean as is outside of Europe most of the countries have little in the way of history or flavor - which to a large degree is detail work and it only impacts the players in those areas, but it gives significantly more depth to the game. Though I gotta say if the devs easter egged some random insane bonuses into a Pueblo nation I doubt anyone would notice...

But there are whole hosts of things that can be done to give more depth to economic/social/civil infrastructure in the game which is currently very one dimensional.

Yes, but none of that will ever be done based on player suggestions. It's all exclusively dev department. My point is not that suggestions cannot be made, just that the stuff left to improve will never see any player suggestions being implemented.

Try it - make some economic/social/civil infrastructure suggestions, like the hundreds made so far. You will not ever get a reaction.

 

[Maq]

We kind of reached the end of what suggestions can be added. ...

It depends on what you consider a 'suggestion to improve the game'. Most of the examples you mentioned are trivial to mod and I don't waste time (mine, yours, theirs...) to post them. Do you want Regensburg in the game? And why not Passau? In my opinion, these and similar changes do not actually change the game, and I somehow find such suggestions more appropriate to general forum. The forumites obviously love such discussions; they're welcome, and developers have been doing such additions quite willingly, mostly because - like I said - they are trivial and people like them. Easy money.
Suggestion subforum, as I understand it, should be reserved for suggestions which change the rules or mechanics of the game, for ideas which are actually new and target the future development of the game. One Regensburg more or less does not make much difference, but implementing free cities feature, or changing rules regarding them, well, that's THE suggestion.

 

[Me_]

It depends on what you consider a 'suggestion to improve the game'. Most of the examples you mentioned are trivial to mod and I don't waste time (mine, yours, theirs...) to post them. Do you want Regensburg in the game? And why not Passau? In my opinion, these and similar changes do not actually change the game, and I somehow find such suggestions more appropriate to general forum. The forumites obviously love such discussions; they're welcome, and developers have been doing such additions quite willingly, mostly because - like I said - they are trivial and people like them. Easy money.
Suggestion subforum, as I understand it, should be reserved for suggestions which change the rules or mechanics of the game, for ideas which are actually new and target the future development of the game. One Regensburg more or less does not make much difference, but implementing free cities feature, or changing rules regarding them, well, that's THE suggestion.

I disagree wholeheartedly. Not posting minor suggestions is exactly wasting Devs time. All the time they need to spend writing NIs, events etc. could be replaced with stuff from the suggestion forum. Time and time again, the DEvs have said that the most time-consuming part of making those things is the flavour text, as that requires research. That is a job that any forumite can do, but few bother, because "you can just mod it".

And then you get a brilliant mod with tons of flavour that 100 people play and dies when the next patch rolls around.

 

[Maq]

I disagree wholeheartedly. Not posting minor suggestions is exactly wasting Devs time. All the time they need to spend writing NIs, events etc. could be replaced with stuff from the suggestion forum. Time and time again, the DEvs have said that the most time-consuming part of making those things is the flavour text, as that requires research. That is a job that any forumite can do, but few bother, because "you can just mod it".

And then you get a brilliant mod with tons of flavour that 100 people play and dies when the next patch rolls around.

You're quite right. We differ only as to where such suggestions belong. I believe they do better in main subforum, which is read and responded by more users, so all that flavor and similar stuff is discussed more thoroughly, and the following work for developers is much easier. While suggestions subforum fits better for more thorough and far-reaching issues to be discussed among the minority who are seriously interested in such things. I'm well aware that my low enthusiasm for your sort of suggestions and discussions is a minority feature, all I suggest is that they are better in main subforum.