suggestions for a potential VP system???

[juv95hrn]

I want some feedback from the MP community about the following, very preliminary, ruleset for initiating some use of the VP system into an MP campaign...

"Victory point system

Due to the lack of meaningfulness with the victory point system I’m trying to invent and balance a system that will make it somewhat useful again.

Each player will receive 1500 points to distribute between the available playing nations. These points may be distributed between one, few or many nations. They must be spent in one fashion or another. All players then place bids for nations in secret. (The GM will deposit his bids with another player before receiving the other player’s bids). The highest bidder for any nation will receive that nation. Nations are distributed in the order of the list below. When equal bids are placed chance will determine the outcome. The player bid will be reduced from the nations finishing VPs.

The following standard penalty will also be removed from the available nations:

Spain 2000
France 1600 (600vp extra for Versailles event)
England 1000
OE 1000
Sweden 500
Portugal 500
Holland 500
Russia 500
Denmark 500
Venice 500
Brandenburg 0
Austria 0
Poland 0

These points are set according to the amount of VPs these nations usually accumulate during a MP campaign and according to the popularity of a nation as to somewhat reward players for playing what seems like less gratifying nations.

Example:
A player bids 800 VP for England, 500 for Holland and 200 for Denmark. Another player has bid +800 for England but he is the highest bidder for Holland and gets to play them for the cost of 500 VP along with the standard penalty of 500 VPs. This means that Holland gets a -1000 VP penalty in this campaign."

 

[unmerged(5161)]

Wont Austria win every time due to diploannexation VPs?

 

[unmerged(21937)]

Missions have to be banned though.

 

[unmerged(5161)]

What if you instead gave every player 1500 VPs per session to distribute among OTHER nations from their own?

So if I am France and I think Brandenburg and Denmark are doing really well this session, I give them each 750 VPs.

Just an idea

 

[juv95hrn]

Missions are banned.

750 VP per session seems excessive although its an interesting idea to make it possible to deduct points from opponents although a bit heavy on the bookkeeping.

Also points are very preliminary. Its possible Austria should ahve a 500 vp penalty like most other nations. Otoh they are quite unpopular in recent MP camopaigns in my experience and might need an incentive to get good players.

 

[Ampoliros]

What if you instead gave every player 1500 VPs per session to distribute among OTHER nations from their own?

So if I am France and I think Brandenburg and Denmark are doing really well this session, I give them each 750 VPs.

Just an idea

Wouldn´t this potentialy lead directly into a system of ongoing corruption, where one player bribes the other to get victory points?
I at least would soon exploit this factor.

 

[DSYoungEsq]

Personally, I think we should come up with our own Victory Point system, rather than trying to implement the one that is packaged with the game, and which both MP and SP players routinely ignore.

 

[juv95hrn]

Personally, I think we should come up with our own Victory Point system, rather than trying to implement the one that is packaged with the game, and which both MP and SP players routinely ignore.

I think thats what I'm trying to do. Keeping score of points manually is not something I'm interested in due to the amount of bookkeeping involved but you are free to try it.

Maybe the VP leader/Spain should be able to use some of his current VP's to be able to lower other players VP?

The first stept is to find out wether the handicap levels for the different nations are balanced or not however.

 

[Tonioz]

VP topic is old one to use it for kind of the ranking. And absolutely pointless.

Russian league used VPs for ranking in first season in the end of 2002. So we knew that maximum gaining gives multiplie force vassaling of AI, and most ... monopolies.

 

[unmerged(45041)]

Have u tried some sort of a handicapsystem? Rank the nations, top to bottom. Giving nations France, Spain, england etc a minus vp at the start, and smaller nations a plus at the start? Just a thought in the debate......

 

[Ampoliros]

Have u tried some sort of a handicapsystem? Rank the nations, top to bottom. Giving nations France, Spain, england etc a minus vp at the start, and smaller nations a plus at the start? Just a thought in the debate......

Good point .
Also, we could make it easier for small countries like Portugal, the Netherlands or Venice to get VPs as their starting positions are usualy in severe disadvantage compared to Spain/France and to a lesser extent Austria.
Likewise as you said making it more difficult for Spain etc. to get VPs.
(meaning that for example Spain would just have to achieve more in order to get the same ammount of VPs the Netherlands would get for say colonizing a certain historicaly valid area (Indonesia) or liberating Flanders.

 

[juv95hrn]

Boy!

I must be worthless at writing rules. The list in the first post is exactly an attempt at establishing such a handicap system. The points in the list are supposed to be removed from the nations VPs so that Spain has to make 2000 more VPs than fx Poland and France 1600 more etc. Wether these VPs are removed at the beginning or the end doesn't really matter but finding a balance between nations might be hard but its better to start now and adjust it as we go along.

EDIT:
I ahve edited the first post and added an example that might explain my thoughts a bit more clearly. Hope this helps...

 

[unmerged(45041)]

Hehe! I must have missread or something cause when I read it now I get it.... :rofl:

 

[unmerged(15723)]

Where can you find info on what actually gives you VP and how much?

 

[juv95hrn]

I don't know really. It's not in the manual for sure.