Zeit, i am sorry but i will not play as your spain - i guess everyone knows how spain was pretty nice after i subbed it for the first time, and then what hapened to it after people prefered a player that had no experience instead of me, to PERM it.
As you reached the conclusion, i thought to myself everyone wanted to have an easy ride with Spain - everyone was their enemy - China, France, Austria, Sweden. Indeed, after the session Maximator permed it for one day, it got raped by everyone possible - To china he lost california, to sweden south africa, and to france was totaly overrun.
I am not blaming Maximator for his skills - everyone was inexperienced once - i too, once did very n00b thingies.
(and still make em btw)
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What I didn't like was that EGO had taken ALL of Australia while max was gone this is a huge advantage before MAX even stands a chance to act so I guess we can nullify that war...
point 1 - i didnt move a finger for the first 2 years, i only started invading him after i got fed up with waiting (and after Tonio warned me to watch out my back for auto-WP) - 40 minutes to have dinner is a joke. I could have eaten a whole cow by then. Its a fault of respect to make players wait so much time for you - while you are "eating", filling your stomach with whatever you ate, i was dying of boredom for nealy 1/4 of the session.
point 2 - i didnt send a stab hit till i got most of england under my control - i wanted to vassalize him but then it turned out that i thought - vassalizing gives saber a nap for 20 years - right when nelson comes out. Why should i let such happen? Better kill england now. When i had most of england under my control, maximator had been in here for a good while. Even if i wanted to send him a stab hit when he was AFK, i couldnt, since australia wasnt that worth of WS.
point 3 - as i said to absolut before, if the WS system was infinite, i would have more then +150 WS - australia was giving me less then +30 WS. Australia wasnt contributing a finger to the war - actually, it was giving england a bit less income and was given me a bit more income. All of Australia is perhaps contributing 500d yearly to england - if you "think" that was decisive, edit +500d to the english treasury while reducing the same amount to sweden - controlling a province doesnt give the full income of it, but whatever - sweden isnt going to hurt from loosing 500d - i would even give more just to stop hearing people pestering me about such a thing.
point 4 - again, i repeat, i dowed england 2 days after they peaced USA - i think we were playing below normal, and 2 days in eu2 with that speed, means about 2-3 seconds. His problem going AFK - i had stated almost 10 times both to the public as well in private that i was going to DOW him - coming with the idea he had to eat was purely a joke. 40 minutes as i stated, would sink all the advantages i had against england - he had 15 WE, and as you can see, he is still hurting from it.
point 5 - as i pointed out in point 3, WS wasnt a problem - i held english unfortified provs in america, his CoT in north america, most of continental England, had about +40 WS from battles. What i demanded from England costed +88 WS - these provinces alone combined with my battle WS gave me more then +99 WS - saying i won the war only by overruning australia is awesomely funny - while australia was giving me less then +30 WS as i stated.
point 6 - Australia... in both the 1st and 3rd war australia had 0 MEN defending it. Or almost 0 men compared to what i sent down there - i sent a 44 general and about 40k men. I doubt he would have defended australia more then he had done before tbh. And even with or without Australia the war would end in a swedish victory.
point 7 - i wasted 11000d in these 3 wars against england - nullifying the results because of the fault of respect from the part of a player is laughable, and if i was playing sweden, if such hapened, i would leave the game for sure. Not saying that saber will re-act the same way as i would, but if you loose another player due to poor gming, dont come saying i didnt warn.
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Saber said:
EGO did nothing illegal, and I should not suffer because of it.
Again, its a joke that Maximator goes AFK and i am the one to be blamed - look sid, you told me you checked all rules from MTT and added em here - then check the rule about being AFK, which you mysteriously failed to copy here.
Maximator was the one going AFK, and should be the one being punished - well tbh after checking what hapened last session between maximator-saber, i would have made sure Maximator stopped going AFK or i would kick him out of the game, for good.
And again, as Saber said, i did not do ANYTHING ilegal - stop pointing your fingers at me, or at sweden. Maximator's own fault for going afk, right after my countless warnings and after i dow him 2 days after he peaces USA. I cant believe you still blame me for this - have you no common sense for christ sake?
And tbh, if i wanted to attack him when he was AFK, all of england would be swedish now, and his government would have collapsed.
Sid said:
how hard could it be to wait 5 years for the truce to expire?
Well Tonio, now i ask you to enlighten them since i am tired. Explain to them the advantage of having an enemy with 15 WE, and what would happen to the WE if i had waited 40 minutes till Maximator stopped eating.
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About your GMing Sid, i cant say its exactly perfect, and well, i dont really like having to say this to you, but the best friends tell the truth to each others. So here goes my little slap:
1º - i was blatantly insulted both in the game and in these forums by troy - FAL warned him about 3 times. When i ask you to enforce the rules, which state "you have to stay in a good mood", all that you say is "solve it in game". ArmOrAttak then decides to send my stab to hell, by making it -3. Then in the game lobby i re-ask you to enforce the rules, and you, kick me from the game instead! That was a pure joke - Troy went against the rules, insulting me 3 times consecutively and i am the one being kicked from the game? I havent, and will not forget that.
2º - What hapened to saber wasnt exactly a very nice thing, either. I wasnt here but i checked the logs, and since i am not part of this game i dont think it matters if i did. Either way, you acted inapropriately - first, having someone that has to "eat" in the middle of a war is a joke. Secondly, you should NEVER allow a player to join the game knowingly he has to "eat" in the middle of a session, specially when his "dinner" takes about 40 minutes, rougly 1/4 of a full session. What could you have done? Never allowed him to play the game.
3º - Asking me not to DoW England as a GM - a GM has no power over such a thing, UNLESS the country is ghosted. And when i re-dowed the 3rd time, Maximator was here and wasnt even AFK. If a country is being beaten, and even being nearly annexed, a GM has no power over such a thing, and cant stop a player from beating the other.
4º - Yesterday - i really disliked your GMing as well, when i dowed england and maximator was "suposedly afk", you didnt move a finger. I insisted countless times to get a sub or simple to pause the game, but you didnt even bother to listen to me. Making me wait 2 years and a half till Maximator returned, pissing me mostly and as i said, made the war expensive even before it started.
And lastly, saying England should be given "compensation" - that is yet, another joke. Look, if someone here has broken the rules, its england.
First peace deal - they agreed IN PUBLIC that they wouldnt hurt USA anyhow - what did they do? Reduce USA to 1 province minor.
During the second war - I sent about 2-3 forced stab hits to england - he refuses them,
against the rules. I didnt pay atention to my fleet and my fleet got engaged by the british one - when i notice that, i retreat - making me loose about 50-70 warships - actually, all warship looses i had from stats were thanks to that.
During the second war as well - when i was doing virtually nothing against england, rebels pumped out, and the war was already eating my coffers without even starting. I had rebels in Pegu/Zanzibar and even in Novgorod pumping out of thin air. While Max had China to kill his rebels, i had to handle the ones in my territory by myself, wasting cash, again, without the war even starting.
During the entire game - Not that i care, but Maximator went against the rules by saying FU and calling me bitch everytime i sent him a stab hit, for this, he should be punished - as you can see, using such abusive words against fellow players, is
against the rules
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What you can do to "fix" the situation? Well, compensate sweden with cash for the 3 forced stab hits refused from the part of england, and because of Max's AFKness. Move the provs England got from USA back to the latter. Punish Maximator for using so many abusive words so many times.
Force Max to stop "eating" during the game, or going "AFK" as well. If he is unable, then get someone else to take his place.
Either way sid, you as a GM, must follow rules to the letter, and, refusing forced stab hits, or saying abusive words as maximator said, are against the rules. On the other side, i am inocent, and never broke any. I hope, this will clarify you, and everyone else.
