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Isten Ostora
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Welcome, kings, warriors, travellers, wanderers, dreamers, artists, and all those who, in some way or another, have courage to follow their own wanderlust. Even You, members of the once mighty Deshi-Bahini Clan can :D come forward to hear what I have to tell, for this is a tale even beyond Your imagination.:D

I hope you enjoy this tale! Be my guest!

Last Sunday our glorious Clan met again to fight it out amongst ourselves, this time, however was different as it was our first "tournament" with EUII. Settings were:

Patch: 1.01. Very hard, aggressive, 1 minute 4 months (we did not have any problems with this, although we were used to 1/2 with EUI) annual autosave, otherwise default. (music turned off, in order to enhance gameplay)

We have randomly decided to play with the following countries (I will use the real names in the case of those 2 gents who are not active members to this forum):

England: Kalpeti
France: Zsolo
Castile: Attila the Hun
Austria: Zoli
Ottoman Empire: Bálint

Note, that for ideological reasons (should I say Clan ordinance) we did not select Hungary as Human controlled as we feel it's settings
are so unhistorical at present that we refuse to include it in "our" tournaments until the next patches, where we hope to see some serious
corrections. (this is not a threat, nor a pressure, thus should not regarded offensive!!)
;)

Unfortunately we encountered several problems during the game, so I will start with them first:

- autosave file: this was the worst problem, as it unfortunately "killed" our game, as we did not save it regularly during the year in a normal, other file (maybe once in 5 years, when major peace deals, events happened.). Thus we have played only about 3 hours until 1440, when we did not succeed to reload the autosave file, and were not willing to reload a file saved 7 years previously.

- pausing: contrary to what the manual says, once somebody pauses it, other players could not resume it after 30 seconds.

Other Bugs:

- peace bugs: AI offers provinces to members of Your alliance that You have taken, and they accept it. (This is the pet hate of mine)

- dont know if it is a bug, but it is rather annoying, that as I had captured almost all provinces of Aragon (it was something like 9 out of 11, only the 2 in Sicily missing), and I had only around 50-60% peace points, although never lost a battle against them. I thus think peace resolutions points should be more "linear" in this respect.

- Despite what the manual says, there are indeed inter-continental alliances. I for instance was member of an alliance (not the leader though) where the Knights, Mameluks, Timurids!!!, and Portugal were invited too. I on the other was only able to invite neighbouring countries!!!!

- Taking unwanted loan: (another pet hate of mine) this has frequently happened with EUI, it is not as severe now, but still happenes, especially when trying to build something.

OK. I will stop here and try to focus more on the game (history), as it was a lot of fun and (although we all are quite experts I must say) we all have learned new tricks from others.:D

To be followed……….
 
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Well the bug-report was complete!:D Did you post a copy in the bug reporting forum?

Can't wait to hear the stories! :)
 
This is just a brief summery of the major events that happened, from my (Castile's) perspective, including some of my comments, so I would be glad if Kalpeti and Zsolowould write a brief summery from their perspectives.


My major goal was the reunification of the Iberian peninsula under the Castilian flag as soon as possible, even if this meant waging wars. There is obviously the "Viva Espana" event around 1470s, but I did not want to wait that long especially knowing of Zsolo's (France) ambitions to drive Kalpeti (England) from the mainland for good, and reunite France ASAP. A strong France would obviously interfere in our plans, as I had the intention to intervene on either side of the 100 years war too (nice southern provinces to be gained: Guyanne?? or Languadoc??? or Provence?? hehe), but I needed to get rid of the potential trouble spots at home: Granada, and Aragon. Portugal was no threat, and I needed them to explore the world, in order to get Maps, so I did not want to take away resources, and money from them, thus no war against them. Navarra was destined to become my vassal. This was my initial plan for the coming 30 years. Good solid wars, no major problems, especially not with major powers. (Boy, how I was wrong!!!!)

1419-1422: I have used my 200D to send an insult to Aragon (relations dropped from 200 to 145), in order to avoid a further 1 point drop of stability, when declaring war against someone you have +150 relations, and built a 10k force in Cantabria, additional to my 40k army in the south. In the course of summer we have been invited into the alliance lead by the Knights (Portugal, Mameluks!??!!), and immediately after that declared war on Aragon (without allies at that time), without inviting my allies. (wanted to avoid the peace bug, see above). I have managed to conquer mainland Aragon until the year was over. Everything went according to expectations: England annihilated all french troops in the north, and conquered all of northern France, annexed Orleans, France had to give up Lyon to Burgundy in exchange for peace, Ottomans attacked Byzanthium, only Austria remained quiet during the year.

1423-1426: After conquering the remaining islands, Aragon finally sued for peace, thus I took from them Rousillon (although not a core province of Castile, but I have considered this to be my "new" frontier with France, obviously much to the anger of France, being one of its core provinces). In the meantime while Ottomans grew stronger taking away two provinces of Byzanthium (something the AI never does), Austria remained quiet again, did not do much (what were they up to???), whereas the northern conflict was to have its tragic turn! At the most decisive battle, Zsolo's (France) last army (made of about 20k cavalry and 10k infra, as it turned out to be later on) completely annihilated the main English force at Guyenne, killing an army about the same size and 2 named English leaders. (This was to be a black day for England) Virtually without facing an opposition the French have begun their march back north.

1427-1429: Castile recieved de Luna a great leader thus the Granada campaign could be launched (again without my allies). We did not meet much resistance at Gibraltar, nor Granada, as the main Granada force moved north, and tried (without much success) to capture Andalusia. Due to very low supply limits I have only used the smallest required force for the sieges (5-6k) and marched my main army with de Lune north, to crush Granada in Andalusia. Although they had roughly the same force, Granada was almost completely annihilated by de Luna as we had cavalry superiority (about 18 k cavalry and 10k infra). Shortly after Granada sued for peace handing me over Gibraltar and 150D. Unfortunately the northern conflict ended with a horror: England was not able to regain strength and was even threatend of being invaded by Scotland. France offered a peace which to my shock England accepted: Normandy, Calais, Caux, and Orleans were handed over to France!!!!!! (I was shattered by the news, France rose from the ashes!!!!) Ottomans annexed Albania, and Austria finally showed its capabilities: They (Zoli) have used a brilliant tactic: vassalised Bavaria, and Mantua, allied with Venice entered into 3 wars, and Austria let her allies do the job: Austria instead of taking provinces himself gave conquered provinces to Bavaria, and Mantova, and vassalised the remining 1 province. Thus Bavaria got 1 province from Switzerland, and Savoy, while they all became vassals to Austria. In doing so Austria got 4 vassals and lot of income, without the worry to put down rebelling provinces in newly conquered lands. This he left to her allies. (During the year Austria bega to build an Arts Academy in Vienna!!!)


to be followed.....
 
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This is great! Do you have a link in the AAR forum to here? It would help attract new MPers! Please continue!
 
Well I'm not as good in english as Attila so i have more trouble to describe the game. I try to give my part to the story:

I must say during the first english-french war i made the greatest mistake i've ever made in my MP games: I underestimated the power of cavalry.
i was pretty succesful at the begining: "England annihilated all french troops in the north, and conquered all of northern France, annexed Orleans" during that time France conquered the 2 or 3 english provinces in the south part of France.

Here comes my mistake: i gave France enough time to recover after their first heavy defeats but instead of strengthen my army with cavalary i concentrated on building infantry. My main army was in the north of France and the main french army was two provinces to the south. Between us were Bourbon (i'm not sure) a vassal of France so the french army could cross the province but i couldn't. Both armies were about the same size (about 30-40k), but mine was an infantry army (only about 30% cavalry) and the french one (as it turned out later) were a cavalry army. I built a 15k army on my island and invaded the southest province. The french army went to attack my invading forces and i took that opportunity to cross Brittany (my vassal) and sieging the provinces in which the french army stood before. Unfortunately the french side could annihilate my invading army thanks to their big cavalry and after that they turned north and annihilated my main army (about the same size with a named leader) too. BIG defeat, i had no more army at the continent and i didn't wanted to invade again, i had no leaders and no standing army.
France "reconquered" all of the provinces on the continent and started to offer me peace which caused me a stab drop if i declined. So i agreed and gave them 4 provinces.
I learned my lesson! I will be more patient next time and never-ever underestimate cavalry armies. you can lose to infantry armies again and again but you can only lose a battle against a cavalry army ONCE!

The story is not over yet though, but i will wait until Attila carries on with his part.
 
*tapping his foot...* I'm waiting! C'mon! Tell us more stories! :)
 
OK I have found the lost history log, note however that the previous timeframes were a bit short (my mistake) as they in reality were 4 years each (so I did edit them)

1430-33: With our first two wars ending in glory, Castile had finally time to focus on its interior policies, thus it was time to reset DP sliders again. I forgot to mention that as Castile (destined to become a colonial power) we needed settlers and the best way to get them is through setting the DP sliders. The first step was moving towards being more free trade oriented, this was to be our next step again. As we do not want to fall behind in the race for acquiring new land and other technologies we did not touch the narrow minded slider, as it provides only for much higher tech costs. Inflation was not a problem, as our budgetary slider was set at the minimum level, thus we "only" gained about 0.12% a year (because of the gold mine in Toledo) but that was not our main concern. With our annual income rising above a 100D we have quickly appointed tax collectors in our most important provinces, and tried to raise cavalry for our next war against Aragon. To our biggest disappointment they have build up a rather strong alliance consisting of Navarra, Neapel, and the Papal State, which meant more troops had to be raised again. Although the northern conflict ended, I had no illusion that it was to be continued and I have feared this would give me further headaches, as France Zsolo was gaining too much strength. The brave Ottomans marched on and on…..they have annexed Byzanthium, and made it their capital, had several events triggered by this. To our satisfaction they have allowed the Patriarch to remain in the city of men's desire??? Austria finally finished its Art's Academy. These were quiet years, although dark clouds were allready forming over the horizon …..


1434-37: With our troops finally ready for battle and after some minor problems at home (civil war, where our brave general de Luna got somehow tangled up) we were about to declare war on Aragon again. Our alliance consisted of Castile (us being the leader), Portugal (with about 50k in Lisbon!!!) and Mameluks?!?! I ended up to be the leader of the alliance as the Mameluks declared war upon the Timurids and everybody but me dishonoured it, after that we invited Portugal though. My main army under de Luna (25k cavalry 15k infra) did not meet much resistance as we annihilated the main forces of Aragon, however we had more trouble with Navarra who almost completely annihilated our second army in Cantabria. De Luna moved north quickly and made a crucial decision, he attacked the main Navarrese force in the mountains using the elite Castillan cavalry. It was a revolutionary idea as it was contradicted with the warfare tactics of that time (especially with that what the the manual says about cavalry attacks in mountains!!!) but it was a huge victory. Although loosing a lot of good man himself too, he immidietly pursued the remaining Navarrese army into their capitol and completly annihilated it. After a couple of months Navarra was conquered and they had to give up Bearn, 120D and they became a vassal of Castile. Aragon in the mean time landed several small detachments on the mediterran coast but they were all driven into the sea by De Luna's cavarly. It was time for them to be shipped in to Sicily and capture the ramining Castillan territories!!!! Around this time 1437 to our sadness the great war in the north broke out again. France Zsolo moved his huge cavalry troops to slaughter the English Kalpeti's garrisons defending Guyenne, and headed towards Burgundy to regain Lyon and unfortunatly much more. Austria was drawned into another conflict in northern Italy as she and her allies (or vassals rather!!!) Bavaria, Helvetia, Mantova, and Venice declared war upon Siena, Papal states (who dishonoured the alliance of Aragon only to be driven into another conflict), Genoa, who had not much chance against this powerhouse. But they were caught by surprise by the Franco-English conflict raging at "their" borders as Baden was already Bavarian territory. Thus Austria was getting more and more frustrated by the French hegemony too. Our kings, being cousins agreed that "Something had to be done against these bloody French". Our Ottoman "friends" finally turned against their own brothers and declared war upon Karaman. They did not have much mercy with them either as within a year they made them their vassal and took another 2 provinces: Adana, and Antalya. It was a bloody year but the world was only to see even more......


1438-1440 THE GREAT WORLD WAR



to be followed...... :D
 
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After my great defeat in the first french-english war i decided to concentrate my powers to my island to unite it ASAP. I knew that France won't let me much time to prepare for the next war. I've sent minor armies to my two remained territory in France but i knew they won't have much chance against the great french army with their named leaders.
In this quite short time of peace there was a little conflict between my ally Burgundy and Gelre. I joined the war but let the fighting to Burgundy and didn't sent any armies to help them. I thought that they are strong enough to handle the situation. After some battles both sides agreed in a white peace.
During that time my preparations for the next war went on, and i also had time and money to invest in our economy: I promoted some bailifs to tax collectors in my home provinces.
Zsolo didn't disapointed me and declared war as soon as he thought he was prepared to the next war...

more to come!
 
Originally posted by Kalpeti
After my great defeat in the first french-english war i decided to concentrate my powers to my island to unite it ASAP.
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Zsolo didn't disapointed me and declared war as soon as he thought he was prepared to the next war...
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Now, it is time to make the first French comments on this scenario. I am quite sure that England should not have been in a much worse strategical situation after the first Anglo-French war. They gave up all their nothern provinces along the Channel, and so had an extremely long supply line to their remainening 2 provinces in the south. That is why I say that this Ebglish remark on the unpreparedness is quite unjustified (just follow Attila's following part of the scenario "The World War against France".
 
Originally posted by zsolo


Now, it is time to make the first French comments on this scenario. I am quite sure that England should not have been in a much worse strategical situation after the first Anglo-French war. They gave up all their nothern provinces along the Channel, and so had an extremely long supply line to their remainening 2 provinces in the south. That is why I say that this Ebglish remark on the unpreparedness is quite unjustified (just follow Attila's following part of the scenario "The World War against France".
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I think Zsolo you have misunderstand me. I didn't say that you were "unprepared" for a war against England and my allies!
You prepared your attack very well.
The reason i said that "you thought you were prepared " was that you did not knew how Castille and Austria will answer your DOW against England. I don't say you had to know this, it was a very unpleasant surprise for you.
 
Originally posted by Kalpeti


I think Zsolo you have misunderstand me. I didn't say that you were "unprepared" for a war against England and my allies!
You prepared your attack very well.
The reason i said that "you thought you were prepared " was that you did not knew how Castille and Austria will answer your DOW against England. I don't say you had to know this, it was a very unpleasant surprise for you.
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In that case you are of course more than right. Actually I did not see any reason for Spain to intervene on the English side. Concerning Austria, I also misjudged the peace-minded approach of Zoli.
 
wow :) quite interesting aar ;) so i understand that the world war was spain and austria backstabbing france ;) hehe damm habsburgs ! btw it's pretty strange that turkey is doing so well !

i will also like to hear some more on other european wars - what about mighty poland ? :)

keep it coming

best regards,

Avocado
 
France DOW-ed England, and both countries aliies honored the alliance.
France kicked the english forces out of the continent in no time. Me (england) did not made too much effort to hold my position, because i thought i have no real chance anyway.
I concentrated to my island, and my main forces stood against the scots to the north. I let Burgundy do the job for me on the continent.
My tactic was to make the french look very strong and so make one of the other human players to join the war against France. It was risky but i was succesful. Castile (Attila) and Austria (Zoli) saw the quick french victories and they did not want to let France to unite their territory too soon and declared war. (Just as i planed :D )
With the castilian and austrian DOW i got time for my war against Scotland. I beat the scots and took all of thier territory except thier capitol.
After the austrian DOW Austria got some other DOW's because the high BB rate of his ally Bavaria. Thy were busy with their new enemies and could send any troops against France.
Only Burgundy and Castile faought real battles against the french (mainly cavalry) armies with their superior generals. France could achieve some major victories against them. I do not remember well, but i think that France was able to sign a separate peace with Burgundy after a while (re)taking some provinces.

France was on the winning against Castile who only were able to do some minor skirmishes.
BUT the odds started to change: Austria finaly finished his BB wars, only 1 enemy left and the austrians were ready to send their troops (about 100 000) against the french, Castile rebuilt his troops in their home territory and these new troops started their way to the french provinces and England finished their war against the scots and big (100 000) armies stood ready to start an invasion against the continent, with some realy competent generals. The Chanel were no hindrance for them because the english fleet ruled the see. A 10 000 strong english cavalry army was already present on the continent and they started to pillage the french provinces.

This was the time when this AAR ends because one of us had to leave and we could not carry on later because our save file was lost because of a bug :(

We discussed the current situation but we could not agree with eachother. Zsolo said that the situation were a draw he can not defeat us and we can not defeat him. Naturaly we meant that with our combined forces we can beat him.
 
Well, you would defeat him. But i doubt that it would be total defeat. If i were Attila, for example, i would worry more about you, as you seemed to secure isles:D(colonization, new conflicts, you know)
 
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