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StephenT said:
Regarding the Balkan countries and aircraft techs, I found this in the 1919 Jane's Fighting Aircraft:

In summary, I'd say that this should be represented by expeditionary corps and/or tech transfers from the major powers, not an indigenous aircraft industry. Bear in mind that a single HoI aircraft unit represents 100 aircraft...
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In short, I agree.
 
KB: That Flash Protection tech is a good idea, and one that can be easily added to the tree. Shouldn't it also add protection for cruisers as well?

Steele
 
Steele, do you require a full list of units and what they do before tidying up the tech tree? KB is going to be writing the unit specs up as quickly as possible. :)
 
That would help a great deal, I think. It doesn't necessairily have to be a full list, although that would be best, but an abbreviated version would work as well.

I've already gone through and made some adjustments, but I am by no means finished. I've been leaving most of the techs alone for now.

Steele
 
Steele said:
KB: That Flash Protection tech is a good idea, and one that can be easily added to the tree. Shouldn't it also add protection for cruisers as well?

Steele
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Perhaps, but I haven't heard of many cruisers being destroyed by magazine hits. Those flimsy little floating buckets are too weak for it to matter...

How about a +1 then?
 
Infantry techs, same principle as before:
Code: 
1000 Basic Infantry Weapons
	1001 Smokeless Gunpowder
	1002 Breech-Loading Rifle
	1003 Early Machinegun
	1004 Divisional Telegraph System
	1005 Corps Telegraph System
	1006 Army Telegraph System
	1007 Modern Bayonet
1100 Modern Infantry Weapons
	1101 Bolt-Action Rifle
	1102 Field Fortification
	1103 Modern Machinegun
	1104 Modern Grenade
	1105 Modern Mine
	1106 Alpinist Equipment
1200 Basic Signals System
	1201 Divisional Telephone System
	1202 Corps Telephone System
	1203 Army Telephone System
	1204 Military Railroad Units
	1205 Basic Signal Interception Units
	1206 Bicycle Messengers
1300 Defensive Innovations
	1301 Rifle Grenade
	1302 Heavy Machinegun
	1303 Barbed Wire Defense
	1304 Light Mortar
	1305 Blockhouses
	1306 Tunneling Units
	1307 Camouflage Clothing
	1308 Trench Club [i](being renamed?)[/i]
1400 Modern Army Innovations
	1401 Canned Food and Water Distillation
	1402 Air-Cooled Machinegun
	1403 Light Machinegun
	1404 Medium Mortar
	1405 Steel Helmet
	1406 Modern Depot System
	1407 Modern Trench System
1500 Anti-Tank Innovations
	1501 Anti-Tank Mine
	1502 Armor-Piercing Ammunition
	1503 Anti-Tank Rifle
	1504 Portable Pontoon Bridge
	1505 Modern Hand-to-Hand Training
1600 Advanced Signals System
	1601 Divisional Wireless System
	1602 Corps Wireless System
	1603 Army Wireless System
	1604 Advanced Signal Interception Units
	1605 Tactical Aerial Photography
1700 Assault Improvements
	1701 Flamethrower
	1702 Stormtrooper Units
	1703 Submachinegun
	1704 Specialized Assault Gear
1800 Advanced Army Innovations
	1801 Specialized Army Recon Units
	1802 Medical Station
Band 7: 1000
Band 6: 1000 1001 1002
Band 5: 1000 1001 1002 1003 1007
Band 4: 1000 1001 1002 1003 1006 1007 1100
Band 3: 1000 1001 1002 1003 1005 1006 1007 1100 1101
Band 2: 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1100 1101 1102 1106
Band 1: 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1100 1101 1102 1103 1106 1200
Germany should also get 1104 (Modern Grenade).
Not sure whether we should give more of the 1200-series techs to the band 1/2 powers, to strengthen them - any thoughts?
Edit: give band 2 1200, and band 1 1203 and 1206
 
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Artillery techs
Code: 
14000 Modern Artillery
	14001 Unitary Ammunition
	14002 Field Artillery Gun 50mm+
	14003 Howitzer 70mm+
	14004 Pack Artillery 50mm+
	14005 Shrapnel Grenade
	14006 Mechanical Recoil Absorption
14100 Basic Artillery Development
	14101 Ballistic Triangulation
	14102 Naval Gun 100mm+
	14103 Railway Artillery
	14104 Artillery Optical Sights
	14105 Artillery Field Carriage
14200 Recoil Absorption
	14201 Quick-Firing Artillery
	14202 Infantry Gun 30mm+
	14203 Field Artillery Gun 70mm+
	14204 Howitzer 100mm+
	14205 Pack Artillery 70mm+
	14206 Naval Gun 150mm+
	14207 Naval Gun 200mm+
14300 Artillery Multi-Purpose Usage
	14301 Concealed Firing Positions
	14302 Howitzer 150mm+
	14303 Indirect Fire
	14304 High Explosive Grenade
	14305 Flare Grenade
	14306 Smoke Grenade
	14307 Naval Gun 250mm+
	14308 Naval Gun 300mm+
14400 Heavy Siege Artillery
	14401 Howitzer 200mm+
	14402 Siege Artillery 200mm+
	14403 Anti-Air Machinegun
	14404 Anti-Air Gun 20mm+
	14405 Naval Gun 350mm+
	14406 Infantry Gun 50mm+
	14407 Siege Artillery 250mm+
14500 Counter-Artillery Development
	14501 Flash Spotting
	14502 Sound Ranging
	14503 Artillery Aerial Photography
	14504 Anti-Air Ranging
14600 Tank Gun Development
	14601 Tank Gun 20mm+
	14602 Siege Artillery 300mm+
	14603 Naval Gun 400mm+
	14604 Timed Fuse
14700 Anti-Tank Development
	14701 Anti-Tank Gun 20mm+
	14702 Anti-Air Gun 40mm+
	14703 Siege Artillery 400mm+
	14704 Tank Gun 40mm+
	14705 Armour Piercing Grenade
14800 Advanced Artillery Innovations
	14801 Anti-Tank Gun 40mm+
	14802 Anti-Air Gun 70mm+
	14803 Artillery Prime Mover
	14804 Mobile Anti-Air Gun
	14805 Tank Gun 70mm+
	14806 Tank Gun 100mm+
	14807 Anti-Tank Gun 70mm+
	14808 Tank Gun Ammunition

Bands 6, 7: none
Band 5: 14000
Band 4: 14000 14001 14002 14004 14005
Band 3: 14000 14001 14002 14003 14004 14005 14006 14100 14101 14102
Band 2: 14000 14001 14002 14003 14004 14005 14006 14100 14101 14102 14103 14104 14105 14200 14201 14202 14203
Band 1: 14000 14001 14002 14003 14004 14005 14006 14100 14101 14102 14103 14104 14105 14200 14201 14202 14203 14205 14206 14207 14300 14307 14308 14400
For this tech tree, count Austria-Hungary as Band 1.
Germany and Austria-Hungary also get 14402 (Siege Artillery 200mm+)
Britain, France and USA also get 14405 (Naval Gun 350mm+)
 
Cavalry and Armour techs
Code: 
2000 Cavalry Innovations
	2001 Bolt-Action Carbine
	2002 Basic Load-Bearing Saddle
	2003 Modern Load-Bearing Saddle
2100 Military Vehicle Innovations
	2101 Internal Combustion Engine
	2102 Motor Transportation
	2103 Military Truck and Utility Vehicle
	2104 Military Unit Transportation
	2105 Motorcycle Messengers
2200 Early Armoured Vehicle
	2201 Basic Armored Car
	2202 Motorized Earth Mover
	2203 Vehicle Maintenance Unit
	2204 Intermediate Armored Car
	2205 Military Tank Tread
2300 Tank Prototype
	2301 Tank Gear
	2302 Tank Suspension
	2303 Gasoline Tank Engine
	2304 Riveted Armour
	2305 Tank Prototype Tests
	2306 Tank Production
2400 Basic Tank Development
	2401 Tank MG Armament
	2402 Female Tank Prototype Tests
	2403 Female Tank
	2404 Tank Gun Armament
	2405 Male Tank Prototype Tests
	2406 Male Tank
	2407 Basic Optical Sights
2500 Basic Tank Innovations
	2501 Basic Rotating Turret
	2502 Advanced Armored Car
	2503 Crew Coordination
2600 Improved Tank Development
	2601 Armoured Scout Tactics
	2602 Light Tank Prototype Tests
	2603 Light Tank
	2604 Armoured Exploitation Tactics
	2605 Cruiser Tank Prototype Tests
	2606 Cruiser Tank
	2607 Armoured Assault Tactics
	2608 Land Battleship Prototype Tests
	2609 Land Battleship
2700 Advanced Tank Innovations
	2701 Welded Armour
	2702 Improved Optical Sights
	2703 Diesel Tank Engine
	2704 Sloped Armour
	2705 Armour Skirts
	2706 Improved Rotating Turret
2800 Advanced Tank Development
	2801 Tank Transportation Units
	2802 Modern Tank Prototype Tests
	2803 Modern Tank 40mm+
	2804 Modern Tank 70mm+
	2805 Modern Tank 100mm+
Band 6-7: None
Band 5: 2000
Band 4: 2000 2001 2002
Band 3: 2000 2001 2002 2003
Band 2: 2000 2001 2002 2003 2100 2101 2102
Band 1: 2000 2001 2002 2003 2100 2101 2102 2200
Belgium should be treated as Band 1 for this tech tree.
Britain should also receive 2103 2104 2201 2202 2205
France should also receive 2103 2104
Belgium should also receive 2201
USA should also receive 2103 2202
 
Home Front (rocketry) techs
Code: 
7000 First Level War Efforts
	7001 Conscription
	7002 Early War Propaganda Campaign
	7003 Voluntary Food Rationing
	7004 War Precautions Act
	7005 Ease Labour Control
7100 Second Level War Efforts
	7101 Pal Units
	7102 Volunteer Corps
	7103 Women Light Industry Workers
7200 Third Level War Efforts
	7201 Mid-War Propaganda Campaign
	7202 First Mandatory Food Rationing
	7203 Blackout
7300 Fourth Level War Efforts
	7301 First Fuel Rationing
	7302 Ersatz Food
	7303 Non-Productive Land Conversion
7400 Fifth Level War Efforts
	7401 Late-War Propaganda Campaign
	7402 Second Mandatory Food Rationing
	7403 Ersatz Fabric
7500 Sixth Level War Efforts
	7501 Women Heavy Industry Workers
	7502 Second Fuel Rationing
Bands 5-7: None
Bands 1-4: 7000 7001
Exception: Britain and USA get 7002 instead of 7001.
 
Electronics tech (which I know very little about, so corrections welcome)
Code: 
3000 Telegraph System
	3001 Electronic Telegraphy
	3002 Field Telegraph Sets
	3003 Morse System
	3004 Coded Transmissions
	3005 Multiplex Telegraphy
	3006 Quadruplex Telegraphy
3100 Basic Telephone System
	3101 Electronic Microphone
	3102 Electronic Reciever
	3103 Modern Telephone
	3104 Undersea Cable System
	3105 Field Telephone Sets
	3106 Stenotype Machine
3200 Basic Signals Handling
	3201 Basic Signal Interception
	3202 Basic Signal Analysis
	3203 Basic Signal Security
	3204 Basic Signal Encryption
3300 Wireless Technology
	3301 Electromagnetic Radiation Basics
	3302 Diode
	3303 Triode
	3304 Vacuum Tube
	3305 Frequency Band Basics
	3306 Wireless Transmitter
	3307 Wireless Reciever
3400 Wireless Communications
	3401 Regenerative Circuit
	3402 Basic Ground Wireless Stations
	3403 Basic Field Wireless Sets
	3404 Basic Naval Wireless 
3500 Advanced Signals Handling
	3501 Advanced Signal Interception
	3502 Advanced Signal Analysis
	3503 Advanced Signal Security
	3504 Advanced Signal Encryption
3600 Mobile Communications
	3601 Vehicle Intercom Set
	3602 Inter-Vehicle Radio Sets
	3603 Superhetrodyne Circuit
	3604 Advanced Ground Wireless Stations
	3605 Advanced Naval Wireless Sets
	3606 Aircraft Wireless Sets
	3607 Man-Portable Radio Sets
3700 Advanced Telephone System
	3701 High Frequency Telephone Sets
	3702 Wireless Telephone System
	3703 Automatic Telephone Stations
3800 Cryptography
	3801 Tabulating Machine
	3802 Encryption-Decryption Gear
	3803 Electronic Data Storage
	3804 Cryptographic Software
	3805 Advanced Cryptography

Band 7: none
Band 6: none
Band 5: 3000
Band 4: 3000 3001 3003 3004
Band 3: 3000 3001 3002 3003 3004 3005 3100 3101 3102 3103 3200
Band 2: 3000 3001 3002 3003 3004 3005 30063100 3101 3102 3103 3104 3200 3300 3301 3302 3304 3305 3306 3307
Band 1: 3000 3001 3002 3003 3004 3005 30063100 3101 3102 3103 3104 3106 3200 3203 3300 3301 3302 3304 3305 3306 3307 3400 3402 3404
Britain also gets 3201 3202
 
StephenT said:
Regarding the Balkan countries and aircraft techs, I found this in the 1919 Jane's Fighting Aircraft:

In summary, I'd say that this should be represented by expeditionary corps and/or tech transfers from the major powers, not an indigenous aircraft industry. Bear in mind that a single HoI aircraft unit represents 100 aircraft...
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Actually the text from Jane's seems a bit unfare to the Balkan countries, bearing in mind that these were on par with the British empire in terms of trained pilots and acquired planes as of 1911-1912. It is true that there were mercenary and volunteer pilots during the Balkan wars, but they did not represent the majority of the flying personnel and the command was exclusively in the hands of the Balkan generals. Also a lot of the air technologies and doctrines to be used in WW1 were either introduced or tested during the Balkan wars. At the time when the French marshal Foche decalred that the "Planes are for sport and not for war", the Balkan countries were using them extensively for reconnaissance, bombardment, propaganda drops, etc.
As for WW1 the Balkan countries had their own aviation, albeit small and under the Great powers operational control. Bulgaria and Greece had some own experimental planes produced, although nothing on par with the Great powers of course.
So I agree with the soultion of the transfer of technologies, but I'm not so sure about the Expeditionary force.
 
Industry techs - another area where suggestions on which countries have what would be welcome.
Code: 
4000 Basic Industrialisation
	4001 Modern Raw Material Knowledge
	4002 Chemical-Industrial-Technological Basics
	4003 Ignition System
	4004 Caterpillar Track
	4005 Conveyor Belt
	4006 Basic Agricultural Tractor
	4007 Basic Assembly Line
4100 Modern Industrial Theoretics
	4101 Chemotherapy
	4102 Thermosetting Plastics
	4103 Gasoline Mass-Production
	4104 Blasting Gelatin
	4105 Bakelite Plastics
	4106 Cellophane
4200 Modern Technology
	4201 Dynamo
	4202 Modern Batteries
	4203 Steel Alloy
	4204 Modern Hand-Tools
	4205 Tungsten Usage
	4206 Improved Agricultural Tractor
4300 Advanced Industrialisation
	4301 Improved Assembly Line
	4302 Quick-Drying Concrete
	4303 Stainless Steel
	4304 Steel Cable
	4305 Zipper
4400 Raw Material Refinement
	4401 Cracking Gasoline
	4402 Salvarsan
	4403 Mercury Vapour Lamp
	4404 Searchlight Arc
4500 War Industrialisation
	4501 Advanced Assembly Line
	4502 Wind Tunnel
	4503 Modern Bulldozer
	4504 Cracking Catalyst
	4505 Early Parachute
Bands 5-7: None
Bands 3-4: 4000
Band 2: 4000 4001 4002
Band 1: 4000 4001 4002 4003 4005 4006
Britain also gets 4004 4100
Germany also gets 4100 4101 4102
USA also gets 4004 4007 4100 4101 4102 4103 Edit - and 4200, but I think 4300 is going too far :)
 
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Gas (GAS! Quick boys! an ecstasy of fumbling, fitting the clumsy helmets just in time...)
Code: 
8000 Advanced Chemistry
	8001 Modern Chemical Research
	8002 Chemical Industries
	8003 Poison Gas Research
8100 Gas Innovations
	8101 Lacrimator Gases
	8102 Sternutator Gases
	8103 Asphyxiant Gases
	8104 Poison Gas Knowledge
	8105 Basic Chlorine Gas
8200 Dispersion Systems
	8201 Early Release Mechanism
	8202 Leak Resistant Shell Casings
	8203 Inert Gas Insertion
	8204 Gas Artilery Shell
8300 Early Chemical Weapons
	8301 Improved Chlorine Gas
	8302 Phosgene Gas
	8303 Vesicant Gases
	8304 Basic Gas Mask
8400 Gas Defense
	8401 Advanced Gas Mask
	8402 Animal Gas Mask
	8403 Inspirator
	8404 Chemical Protection Suit
8500 Advanced Gas Weapons
	8501 Gas Mortar
	8502 Diphosgene Gas
	8503 Mustard Gas
Bands 3-7: None
Band 2: 8000
Band 1: 8000 8001
Germany also gets 8002 8003
 
I'm still not wholly convinced that the Balkan countries should have more aircraft techs when they didn't build aeroplanes themselves, though perhaps as a compromise Turkey, Rumania and Bulgaria (the most advanced Balkan states, according to Jane's anyway) can have the gold tech 10100.

On the other hand, it does sound as though they should be better-off when it comes to the air doctrines - they might not have their own home-built air forces, but they knew first-hand how to employ aircraft in battle.
 
Air Doctrine tech
Code: 
12000 Aviation Development
	12001 Military Aerial Observation
	12002 Dirigible Development
	12003 Heavier-Than-Air Craft Development
12100 Military Aviation
	12101 Airship Bombing Tactics
	12102 Recon Aircraft Tactics
	12103 Aerial Artillery Observer
	12104 Armed Aircraft Tactics
12200 Air Defence Development
	12201 Observer System
	12202 Dog Fighting Tactics
	12203 Air Defence System
12300 Integrated Air Operations
	12301 Land-air Coordination
	12302 Aerodrome Operations
	12303 Tactical Bombing Tactics
	12304 Strategic Bombing Tactics
	12305 Naval-Air Coordination
12400 Groud Support Operations
	12401 Dive Bombing Tactics
	12402 Integrated Air Defence
	12403 Close Air Support
	12404 Anti-Submarine Aircraft Patrols
12500 Advanced Aviation
	12501 Flying Circus
	12502 Wingman Tactics
	12503 Naval Bomber Tactics
	12504 Carrier Aviation
Bands 3-7: none
Band 2: 12000 12001 12003
Rumania, Bulgaria and Turkey: 12000 12001 12100
Band 1: 12000 12001 12002 12003 12100
Italy counts as Band 1 for this tech tree.
 
Land doctrines
Code: 
11000 Modern Military Establishment
	11001 Large Unit Skirmish Tactics
	11002 Modern Divisional Organization
	11003 Alpine Warfare
	11004 Modern Corps Organization
	11005 Elite Troops
	11006 Cavalry Shock
	11007 Divisional Artillery Organization
11100 Early Century Tactics
	11101 Modern Tactical Exercise
	11102 Mechanical Logistics
	11103 Strongpoint Warfare
	11104 General Staff System
	11105 Colonial Troops
	11106 Manpower vs. Firepower Tactics
	11107 Firepower vs. Manpower Tactics
	11108 Chemical Warfare
11200 Basic Tactics
	11201 Defence-In-Depth
	11202 Modern Military Uniform
	11203 Infantry-Engineer Coordination
	11204 Multi-Corps Defensive Operations
	11205 Small Unit Skirmish Tactics
	11206 Infantry-Artillery Coordination
	11207 Sapping Techniques
11300 Improved Tactics
	11301 Military Motor Pool
	11302 Multi-Corps Offensive Operations
	11303 Sub-Unit Initiative
	11304 Front-Wide Command and Control
	11305 Creeping Barrage Tactics
	11306 Armoured Warfare
	11307 Counter-Artillery Techniques
11400 Advanced Tactics
	11401 Elastic Defence
	11402 Infiltration Tactics
	11403 Infantry-Armour Coordination
	11404 Peaceful Penetration
	11405 Mixed Chemicals Tactics
11500 Modern Tactics
	11501 Encirclement-Destruction Tactics
	11502 Motorised Headquarters
	11503 Massive Arms Coordination
	11504 Field Camouflage
Band 7: None
Band 6: 11000
Band 5: 11000 11001 11002
Band 4: 11000 11001 11002 11004 11006 11007
Band 3: 11000 11001 11002 11003 11004 11005 11006 11007 11100
Band 2: 11000 11001 11002 11003 11004 11005 11006 11007 11100 11101 11103 11104 11105
Band 1: 11000 11001 11002 11003 11004 11005 11006 11007 11100 11101 11103 11104 11105 11200
Britain also gets 11202
Germany also gets 11201 11205
Spain, Portugal and Netherlands (from Band 3) get 11105
 
StephenT said:
I'm still not wholly convinced that the Balkan countries should have more aircraft techs when they didn't build aeroplanes themselves, though perhaps as a compromise Turkey, Rumania and Bulgaria (the most advanced Balkan states, according to Jane's anyway) can have the gold tech 10100.

On the other hand, it does sound as though they should be better-off when it comes to the air doctrines - they might not have their own home-built air forces, but they knew first-hand how to employ aircraft in battle.
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Sounds reasonable.
Of course they could not produce anything except single prototypes on their own, so no need of 10100. However IMHO they should got air doctrines on par with the Great powers in 1914.
 
A couple of ideas:
-"Trench Periscope" which gives a small army detection increase.
-Some sort of tech series which represents improved trench construction techniques. Germany in particular took great care in planning their trenches to prevent flooding and to greater resist bombardment.
Good?/Bad?/Suck?
 
Looking good so far, Stephen! :)

I think it woud be fair to give bands one and two the basic signals system tech group - they certainly had people on bicycles in the very least :)

You might want to give the US tech 4301 - the Improved Assembly Line - seeing as Henry Ford had introduced a conveyor belt into one of his factories (it might have been River Rouge) as early as 1912 or 1913...
 
I've noticed that TGW got problems with too fast battles (or at least it has been put on the bug list). Maybe Mithel solution (Ground Defense rised to 999 in all the units) can be useful here?
Combined with the big modifier to the defense_effciency (reversed) of all the units it can make battles really long... Anyone tried that?
 
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