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@Goblin-Cookie you are entirely right about the mathematics and the "gaming" of the award voting. But you are 100% wrong on the purpose of the award and about the community we have here. Not to mention how we've built a community through efforts like this that @coz1 is spending his time and effort to provide this award process for every writer.

Winning is great. But this wouldn't be worth participating in if winning were the point. Encouragement is the point. Building other people up is the point - not ourselves.

Regardless of whether it was a "written rule" when first posted it's now an established written rule because the award owner has said it. It's not a matter of discussion anymore.

Which means you have to win the way everyone else wins - by being part of the community and humbly requesting that those members who like your work will vote for it. If you're successful in building community you'll get votes. It's not about winning. It's about community and us encouraging each other.

Forget winning. Forget gaming the system. Join the community. Build the community.

Rensslaer
 
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Great work @Tom D. ! Congratulations!

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Nota bene, I counted your votes for others. I did not count your vote for yourself. ;)

Doesn't matter, for the highest vote on the list can still end up voting against yourself, even if it is a secondary vote. :)

Yes, I get the idea you don't want people to vote for themselves, but I never suggested there wasn't another option that solves the problem I mentioned *aside* from voting for ourselves. In the interest of not taking up more space in this voting thread which isn't meant to be taken over by a lengthy debate, I will send you the alternative solution by PM.

Please come back in 20 years and tell me of what I do or do not have grasp. ;)


That is the point. We are trying to support others. The act of writing in and of itself. It is not about YOU. It is about AARland.


If you read the first post, you will see that I clearly say "not to influence" the vote. Most people respect that.
;)

Yes, somebody who ignores glaring problems does not progress, however many decades they are given to do so; mere experience does not equal competence. None of this is about ME, it is an entirely impersonal problem that I am deliberately drawing attention to apparently at personal cost, regarding writers voting (they mostly don't, wonder why?).

Regardless of our subjective opinions, it's still a competition, and not voting in a competition can also influence the outcome; people are no less gaming the system if they simply decide not to vote in case they vote against themselves. Somebody with a sharp eye can even deliberately withdraw their vote for somebody else as soon as it looks like that other person stands to beat them.

@Goblin-Cookie you are entirely right about the mathematics and the "gaming" of the award voting. But you are 100% wrong on the purpose of the award and about the community we have here. Not to mention how we've built a community through efforts like this that @coz1 is spending his time and effort to provide this award process for every writer.

Regardless of whether it was a "written rule" when first posted it's now an established written rule because the award owner has said it. It's not a matter of discussion anymore.

No it isn't, secret written rules are not a thing. We can't expect in 10 years time people to remember what was written on a thread 20 years ago.

The award does not have a "purpose", aside from that given to it by others. You agree that there is a problem in the voting system resulting from the disallowing of self-voting, but you don't care.

A problem is to be solved, not dismissed with some appeal to the virtue of self-destructive altruism and pretending that a competition isn't a competition.
 
Yes, somebody who ignores glaring problems does not progress, however many decades they are given to do so...

A problem is to be solved, not dismissed with some appeal to the virtue of self-destructive altruism and pretending that a competition isn't a competition.

Thank goodness that you came along @Goblin-Cookie to let us know that a problem exists because somehow in the last six years of running these (and over 20 years of the existence of this forum), not a one of us was able to identify it. :eek:

Your concerns are duly noted and I say the only solution is...more voting and less whinging. ;)

Vote, vote, vote! :)
 
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9 voters who are writAARs, 4 who I don't think is.
I am fairly certain that every voter thus far is an AAR writAAR. Maybe not one (I don't get to AoW that often admittedly.) And that is rather the point despite the terrible problem we seem to have. WritAARs voting for other writAARs? Next thing we know, dogs and cats will be sleeping together! ;)
 
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I am fairly certain that every voter thus far is an AAR writAAR. Maybe not one (I don't get to AoW that often admittedly.) And that is rather the point despite the terrible problem we seem to have. WritAARs voting for other writAARs? Next thing we know, dogs and cats will be sleeping together! ;)
Actually, my dog and cat does sleep beside ech other.
 
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Actually, my dog and cat does sleep beside ech other.
I wish I could have a cat but I'm allergic to the dander. However, I am fairly certain that my Max would happily cuddle. And if he had opposable thumbs, he'd probably vote too. ;)

"Daddy is the best writAAR! Also he feeds me!"

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I am fairly certain that every voter thus far is an AAR writAAR.

Is everybody tied for first as the expert predicted?? :D. ;)

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Is everybody tied for first as the expert predicted?? :D. ;)

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Amazingly no. ;)

As of right now, 27 different gameplay AARs are singled out, 21 different historybook AARs, and 30 different narratives. If only everyone voted for themself. :p
 
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I wish I could have a cat but I'm allergic to the dander. However, I am fairly certain that my Max would happily cuddle. And if he had opposable thumbs, he'd probably vote too. ;)

"Daddy is the best writAAR! Also he feeds me!"

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I am extremely allergic to cats, on a scale where over 0.4 is allergy, I have almost 5.0. :D But the cat came to us not by choice, but stayed by choice. I take a lot of allergy meds to be able to have him, but he sleeps on my legs half the night. :D

Short version: Owned died, cat came to us, scared as hell, we gave him food, after half a year it was so cold we were scared he would die, so we let him in. He slept inhouse on the guest room for half a year, then we got visitors and we temporarily moved him to our bedroom where he slept in a chair. Then, after 2 more months, I woke up with him sleeping on my legs, and there he has stayed. :D
 
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So helpful of you to link these, if not I wouldn't have even known I won 3rd place with my little CK3 escapade XD!
I tagged you! :D
 
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...the cat came to us not by choice, but stayed by choice.
There is a French joke made by @El Pip in here somewhere. ;)

Actually I'm just tagging him to remind him to vote. :p

Vote, vote, vote!
 
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Not to belabor the distraction. But what we've demonstrated - what we demonstrate every time we come together to vote - is that even if, mechanically, a vote for someone else lessens our own chance of winning (in that category at least) we're not voting against ourselves. We're not voting against anybody. We're voting FOR our friends and compatriots here in AARLand, and that's what builds community.

Many times I have eagerly cast a vote for a "competing" AAR because I care more about honoring our community and encouraging our writers than about winning the award. I want people to be honored for good work and earnest effort. That's what we do here

Thanks everybody!

Rensslaer
 
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Not to belabor the distraction. But what we've demonstrated - what we demonstrate every time we come together to vote - is that even if, mechanically, a vote for someone else lessens our own chance of winning (in that category at least) we're not voting against ourselves. We're not voting against anybody. We're voting FOR our friends and compatriots here in AARLand, and that's what builds community.

Many times I have eagerly cast a vote for a "competing" AAR because I care more about honoring our community and encouraging our writers than about winning the award. I want people to be honored for good work and earnest effort. That's what we do here

Thanks everybody!

Rensslaer
Hear hear!
 
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@Nikolai bless you for doing that! Here in Savannah we have a lot of stray cats that visit our back yard so we leave food out for them. And occasionally raccoons and opossums also. Our 3 cats get to watch through the glass. The outdoor cats probably wonder "how did you get stuck in there?"

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@Nikolai bless you for doing that! Here in Savannah we have a lot of stray cats that visit our back yard so we leave food out for them. And occasionally raccoons and opossums also. Our 3 cats get to watch through the glass. The outdoor cats probably wonder "how did you get stuck in there?"

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Have to take care of the animals! We also had his sister here, but she was less afraid and the family of the deceased man got her a new home long before we got Ludvig to be close to us. :)
 
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- Comedy AAR of the Year:

1. Avon Las Observes by @Midnite Duke
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- Gameplay AAR of the Year:

1. The German Century (Kaiserreich AAR) by @Basileus2
2. Road of Queens - CKII India AAR by @Eurasia
3. 'Odin' and Stalin's Secret Committee by @roverS3
4. Rex Germania - A Brandenburg to Prussia Strategy AAR by @Rensslaer
5. Victoria II - Japan - AAR by @Eurasia
6. New Era, Old Gods- an EU4 Norse Sweden AAR by @Bergil

- Historybook AAR of the Year:

1. Tomorrow Belongs To Me - A 'Democratic' Germany AAR by @TheButterflyComposer
2. Wings of Faith, Wings of Fury - A Slavic Pagan Revival AAR by @Superstorm
3. Echoes of A New Tomorrow: Life after Revolution in the Commonwealth of Britain by @DensleyBlair
4. Der Adler, der Wolf, und die Sonne: Die Geschichte des Stahlpakts by @Wraith11B
5. Epirus Ascendant, Part 1 by @HistoryDude
6. Here Dwells God - A Jewish Poland AAR, Part Four by @Tommy4ever

- Narrative AAR of the Year:

1. Lost Seasons of the Danes - A Viking AAR by @Chac1
2. The Wars of the Roses by @coz1
3. The Dragons Realm, A House Targaryen AAR, by @streaker77
4. Machinations of the Medici by @jak7139
5. Children of Dacia by @IliciMan
6. The Lions of Olomouc: a CKIII Ironman AAR (Duchy of Moravia, 867) by @Revan86

- Megacampaign AAR of the Year:

1. Here Dwells God - A Jewish Poland AAR, Part Four by @Tommy4ever
2. In the Shadow of the Ancients - An Assyrian AAR, Part Three by @Tommy4ever
3. The Empire Strikes Back - Part 4 by @Idhrendur
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- Graphics/AARtist of the Year:
1. @streaker77
2. @Chac1
3. @TheButterflyComposer
4. @Tommy4ever
5. @Wraith11B
6. @roverS3

- Character of the Year:

1. Jarl Alfr, Lost Seasons of the Danes - A Viking AAR by @Chac1
2. Laena, Queen of Skulls, The Dragons Realm, A House Targaryen AAR by @streaker77
3. Lorenzo de Medici, Machinations of the Medici by @jak7139
4. Richard of York, The Wars of the Roses by @coz1
5. Ouster, Tomorrow Belongs To Me - A 'Democratic' Germany AAR by @TheButterflyComposer
6. Empress Eulalia, Road of Queens - CKII India AAR by @Eurasia

- Newcomer of the Year:

1. @Chac1
2. @Basileus2
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- Writer of the Year: (I really needed more votes for this one :D )

1. @TheButterflyComposer
2. @Chac1
3. @coz1
4. @Eurasia
5. @Superstorm
6. @jak7139

- AAR of the Year

1. Tomorrow Belongs To Me - A 'Democratic' Germany AAR by @TheButterflyComposer
2. Lost Seasons of the Danes - A Viking AAR by @Chac1
3. The Wars of the Roses by @coz1
4. The Dragons Realm, A House Targaryen AAR by @streaker77
5. The German Century (Kaiserreich AAR) by @Basileus2
6. Machinations of the Medici by @jak7139

Thanks for running this @coz1. I hope the late votes now start rolling in. I can't believe I haven't left this to the very last moment! :p I think this will be my first and final ballot, but will let you know if I make any changes.
 
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