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The Audacity of Hope - An Iroquois IN AAR

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Cybvep said:
I've read halfway through then just looked at the ending. Wonderful AAR. I was really impressed by your play in the first centuries. However, I felt that the challenge disappeared after your first victory over Portugal and the rest was just a race to world domination. The Portugese AI won "The Most Stupid AI-controlled country" in my books. It's a pity that the EUIII doesn't provide enough challenges to keep the game really interesting from start to finish. No matter which country you play, after you deal with your most obvious problems, you can simply turn the game off. That's why I never finished a EUIII game. WCs are boring and unrealistic.

Still, great AAR!
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To be fair it was unrealistic long before I got close to WC although boring's a bit harsh - I manage a bit more tension after 1600 than most AARs :)

Flammehav said:
In the 32 first chapters the pictures is gone. (again?). Will they ever be back again? Not sure if they was there briefly after the 22cd or not as I didn't look then.
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I've had a message from Photobucket saying I've exceeded the monthly download limit - on the 11th - unlucky ;)

The Arch Mede said:
You should read some more of them. "Yes We Can" conquer the world without going over the BB limit (France) keeps the tension right to the end. "Rebels without a Pause" (Golden Horde staying tribal) almost manages the same feat.
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Thanks for the kind words and to be honest I think 'Rebels' only reaches for g(l)ory once I start having world wide succession crises :cool:
 
My good luck I read this just after the bandwidth limit reset! A quite excellent AAR, good sir. Though I wonder how you'd keep the pace up if you were to try again, now that BB actually matters. ;)
 
TwelveBaud said:
My good luck I read this just after the bandwidth limit reset! A quite excellent AAR, good sir. Though I wonder how you'd keep the pace up if you were to try again, now that BB actually matters. ;)
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I know I said I wouldn't do any more of these epic (workload) AARs but the question of just how far can you get under the BB limit in DW5.1 without any cheesy stuff has been bugging me for a bit so I'm up to 1650 in an England test game :blush:

Actualy writing something like this again is less likely - I have a much heavier workload and all my diplomacy points go into corporate politics (I have a variety of CBs on other departments and customer contacts!)
 
Getting tons of money in peace deals

Hey PrawnStar,

I'm playing my own aboriginal game (using Hurons instead). It's quite a bit easier than yours because I'm using a mod that gives new world units with comparable stats to european units of the same tech level.

I also took a very different approach; going against the advice on the Wiki I went ahead and colonized early on, building up my empire prior to the arrival of the europeans. I had to deal with 3 secession wars before my transition to Noble Republic, but it worked out for me.

On the other hand, I think I have suffered from some really bad luck, such as a completely runaway Britain that had colonized half the world at one point with no other AIs doing anything. No portugal, no spain/castille, weird. More recently, some wars have brought that back into a bit more balance.

One thing I really missed strategy-wise, though, is how you are making massive amounts of money from peace deals. How do you end up doing that? I am also playing on Very Hard, so the AIs should have lots of money, but I'm unclear how you negotiated those. Would you win a war and just accept money instead of territory?

I have had to earn all the money I have, which has severely stunted my ability to build forts and workshops. I'm at 1583, and comparing to your AAR in the 1550's, I have much more territory but weaker tech and far fewer improvements.

Great AAR, by the way! You are the one that inspired me to try this!
 
The amount of money you can take in peace deals changes with patches - this was played wth IN3.1 where money did accumulate. However, really lucrative peace deals are generally using the war score for money not taking land.

Which version are you playing? I couldn't build colonies before the Europeans arrived there wasn't an in-game mechanism for me to gain colonists.
 
in DW you can build some colonies before they come , if they show up a bit late , either if you get a coastal CoT or with the NI
 
I'm using a slightly modded game. In addition to equivalent units for the new world (which of course, are only useful after the westernizations and some catchup) I modded Shamanism slightly. After reading over all of the other religions, I didn't see why they shouldn't get the lowest amount of colonists, so I just added it (0.5). I also gave them the lowest missionary amount (0.2), but that has thus far been useless to me due to Innovation.

To be honest, I made that change out of sheer boredom, after what felt like hundreds upon hundreds of years of doing nothing. Wiping out the Iroquis took no time at all, and then I had nothing to do.

I'll have to try taking money instead of land in some peace deals, as winning enough money to build a workshop in every single province is obviously pretty appealing.

I'm playing IN 3.2.
 
OK that makes sense - basically the game shouldn't be too different from the version I played back when I wrote this AAR. It would only make sense to keep taking land if you were going for a WC simply because of the diplomat crunch.
 
This. Was awesome. Took up pretty much my entire weekend to read, done at 8:22 PM. You have TALENT. Not just that, the dedication and patience to spend ~500 hours playing this game just for us. :'(

It's just beautiful...*sniff*
 
I read this in a three-night stint after being frustrated by efforts to play the Zapotecs in Heir to the Throne, and I am still in shock. I know how you did it, but I really do not know how you did it, if you know what I mean. Just wow.
 
Well, I just spent the better (Or worse, depending on your perception) part of the last 24 hours reading this AAR, I skipped all the comments and your feedback, purely because I wanted to see the end of the AAR before the end of my natural life. I have to say, this is a truly incredible, admirable, historic and legendary achievement in the EU community!! I've seen many an AAR with cheats or extensions or reloads (Not entirely sure if you did any but it didn't look like it.) whenever things didn't go their way and I'm thoroughly impressed to see someone resist those temptations even when the crowds were calling for it.

Purely as this is years old and likely everything worth being said has been said, I'll leave you with my best puns and final thoughts.

1. The Orcs often say 'It's not easy bein' green.' and evidentally it's not but clearly it's not impossible either. Maybe the Orcs should stop whining and get on with it, eh?

2. I think the core lesson of this AAR is "Don't frighten the locals if you're going to venture to a new world." It might just be that they see the best way to survive is to conquer the entire planet!

3. Whilst I know your unit types were not the standard Iroquois troops when you invaded Ireland there was something abstract and yet, pleasing to imagine the Irish peasants peering at hundreds of canoes arriving on the beaches of Munster and bare chested 'Last of the Mohican' native Americans clambering out with their tomahawks in hand.

It was actually quite something to transfer that image to everywhere you went. Iroquois Warriors trapsing the Sahara looking for ragged pockets of Spaniards. British warfleets set upon and overwhelmed by those same warriors clambering up the sides of their ships from tiny canoes. Mongol horsewarriors ambushed in the forests of eastern Europe and chased back out into the steppes, arrows and tomahawks being hurled at their backs.

And picturing it all as it actually was is even stranger. White coated Napoleonic infantrymen with the skin, the hair, the feathers of Iroquois warriors inside. A Senatehouse filled with dignified and noble Native Americans, pondering over which scary foreign country they should pacify next, did your people still believe they were defending themselves by 1821 or had they stopped buying into that rhetoric by then?

"My fellow Iroquois! We have met the invaders on their own lands, we have driven them from our own! For hundreds of years we have strived to ensure our safety through the blood of our enemies and our people! On this day, it is my pleasure to bring you news of our final victory!! At 7:00 am today I recieved word from our military commanders in the field; The people of Galaxy XIV have been pacified!!! The Universe is safe for our people at last! Today! January 5th, 2952! The Iroquois people can finally say, in one voice: We are no longer afraid!" - Supreme Galactic Chancellor Hiawatha Bloodcrow, January 5th 2952
 
I've just been bored so I googled the phrase 'The Audacity of Hope' - it's unusual right? This thread is top of page 6 four years after the AAR finished ROFL
 
I'm so epically late, but I just finished reading this and I wanted to say that it was epic to read, and to watch the great green spread over the entire planet!
 
Anjwalker said:
I'm so epically late, but I just finished reading this and I wanted to say that it was epic to read, and to watch the great green spread over the entire planet!
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Dante said:
10 As on them more direct mine eye descends,
11 Each wondrously seem'd to be revers'd
12 At the neck-bone, so that the countenance

13 Was from the reins averted: and because
14 None might before him look, they were compell'd
15 To' advance with backward gait.
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This is the punishment that (thread) necromancers and other sorcerers suffer in the afterlife, dear Anjwalker. Repent! Penitenziagite!

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Oh, damn, what I said is Dulcinian heresy, so I guess I'll meet you there :p
 
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I can't see the images...
 
PdoxNewbie said:
I can't see the images...
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That's because there are so many people checking his AARs, the images are uploaded to a hosting site (Photobucket), which allows only so much MB bandwidth per account and every view will use up a bit of that bandwidth until his account has reached the limit. Now you'll have to wait until the bandwidth counter is reset.
 
From a relatively minor country in North America to a near-WC in 200 years... Prawn, you're my hero (along with the dude who WC'd with Ryukyu before 1500).
 
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