Unions never win anything! Vote for something funny.
And also, a new vote for something funny.
And also, a new vote for something funny.
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@TheButterflyComposer by starting a new page, you opened up a whole new range of voting options!
So I guess it is my solemn duty to once again vote for something funny.
So I guess it is my solemn duty to once again vote for something funny.
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I keep my vote and I vote also for el Pip updating at once.
Or to the Tower with him!
Or to the Tower with him!
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Finally catch up, and I find an El Pip Voting Opportunity TM. I find myself confused at the options, a vote for the unions, IS something funny.
Never the less, I shall make my mark on option Δ
Never the less, I shall make my mark on option Δ
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The thing is, the unions are going to win eventually (in that the worker hours, pay etc will match the rest of the steel industry...the unions themselves might get some rough though).
So really, it's less a vote against the union effort and more a vote towards sticking it to the Little Steel companies and the US generally, which is in keeping with the rest of the AAR.
Speaking of, another vote for something funny.
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Pretty sure neither or, nor my wife, have voted today, so we cast our votes for something funny!
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@TheButterflyComposer Hope you don't mind me dropping you in it in the other thread...
And another vote for something funny!
And another vote for something funny!
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Which thread was that?
Indeed, another day, another vote for funny. We do appear to have already defeated the weaker and wronger voters with our stamina and enthusiasm. No reason to stop though.
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Wronger? Perhaps, but never lacking for a stubbornness and retrenchment in these errant beliefs!
a. Union!
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Wronger is a very offensive term here! Misguided is much nicer!
Oh, and a vote for something funny!
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Indeed. I believe the correct PC term is 'leftie'
An additional Delta from myself.
Additionally @El Pip I have recently started reading the new Tim Bouverie book 'Allies at War' and just got through the chapter regarding Slippery Sam Hoare bribing Spain to keep out of the war by using a large purchase of Oranges (among other things) and did have a chuckle to myself after your last couple of updates.
I also came across a superb put down that I am itching to use in an argument;
" . . . in one of the greatest instances of dialogue between pot and kettle"
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Indeed. I believe the correct PC term is 'leftie'
An additional Delta from myself.
Additionally @El Pip I have recently started reading the new Tim Bouverie book 'Allies at War' and just got through the chapter regarding Slippery Sam Hoare bribing Spain to keep out of the war by using a large purchase of Oranges (among other things) and did have a chuckle to myself after your last couple of updates.
I also came across a superb put down that I am itching to use in an argument;
" . . . in one of the greatest instances of dialogue between pot and kettle"
You need to read more articles by architecture historians. They are extremely pernickety.
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Is it a new day? It is a new day! A vote for something funny!
And if I have the count right we are now 5 votes from closing the ballot on the bottom of the page!
And if I have the count right we are now 5 votes from closing the ballot on the bottom of the page!
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I must first apologise for not being as present during the voting as I hoped, many things personal and work related have occurred. None serious or even unpleasant, but many in number. However they have now been dealt with and writing has resumed, so it is necessary to tally the votes and see what we are doing. Responses first, votes in the next post. Rest assured all votes were considered by the Voter Colonel even if not replied to here.
Ahh but what if a long term victory requires a short term defeat?
Ahh but it would have been political intervention in a different direction.
I'd never have put forward an option that would not change something, though as TBC notes there are some long term trends at work.
And thus you arrive at the choice.
Eh. US Steel had unionised, but pretty much no-one else did. Part of the point of going after Little Steel was to try and bounce everyone else into conceding after US Steel did.
A bold statement, but one in keeping with your famously fixed view on historical inevitability
Very few things are impossible.
I can't really see the diplomatic issue. Sure they could make an argument about it, but then Ford and GM's operations in the Empire are at risk. I've no doubt some would complain and then say "but that's completely different" but I can't see anything getting beyond grumbles.
Alf did appear to be on the union friendly side of things, certainly when governor.
Ohhh, darker to get lighter in the end. An interesting option, but alas not one that found favour with your fellow votes. I appreciated it though.
One vote person per day. An entirely reasonable ration.
We practice Florida Rules, in a reference that may well now be older than some of the readership and almost certainly no longer reflects reality.
That's the spirit.
This is also in the spirit of Pippian Elections, incredible comebacks against the odds have happened if only one side is determined enough. It didn't happen this time obviously, but it might have.
An under-appreciated comment.
I remain surprised as to how that theme has emerged, it is not in the Core Pillars or Catechism of the work certainly
A pithy and precise expression of true Union values. */Red Flag Meme.gif/*
There is another book for the reading pile, does sound interesting.Additionally @El Pip I have recently started reading the new Tim Bouverie book 'Allies at War' and just got through the chapter regarding Slippery Sam Hoare bribing Spain to keep out of the war by using a large purchase of Oranges (among other things) and did have a chuckle to myself after your last couple of updates.
But not as good as this which I too am now itching to use. It's just magnificent.
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Results
Let us begin with the important matter, who was the winner of the poll and who had an election to try and forget? Apart from democracy obviously which both won and would like to draw a line under the whole affair.
As many will have guessed Option Δ romped home winning both on the total votes and on the more old fashioned and somewhat suspect 'one member one vote' counts. The final tallies were;
As people did discuss them here are my rough thoughts on the losing plans in reverse order;
(3) hinged on the changes in politics. On my brief skim it appears that in OTL the federal government steered clear of the whole thing, I believe because the state governors were Democrat and so FDR didn't want to intervene against his own party, he had enough fights going on that he wasn't looking for more. Landon would not be so constrained and as mentioned he was definitely from the labour friendly side of his party, so I can see him getting invovled and trying to do an 'honest broker' routine.
(ii) was a bit trickier. Idle thought would be to say US Steel didn't go union due to all the different politics, so the union was less confident and Little Steel firms less desperate. No big massacre as the firms thought they could wait it out and didn't need to 'break' the union with force. There are holes in that but I think you can get a steel firm win without a massacre which counts as 'cleaner' in my book.
(a) Would have been the most straightforward. Easiest, if bloodiest, is the massacre being properly reported on. Landon makes a big address, angry about half a dozen protestors being shot in the back and threatens federal intervention unless the state sorts things out. The firms fold in the hope that getting a deal done and stopping the protests will at least stop things getting worse for them. You could probably even do a union win without the blood, but it's a losing background item so that is left as an exercise for the reader and/or voter. I hope the people voting are readers, but stranger things have happened.
Let us begin with the important matter, who was the winner of the poll and who had an election to try and forget? Apart from democracy obviously which both won and would like to draw a line under the whole affair.
As many will have guessed Option Δ romped home winning both on the total votes and on the more old fashioned and somewhat suspect 'one member one vote' counts. The final tallies were;
- a) CIO/Union victory - 10 votes
- ii) Steel firms defeat the strike but cleaner - No Votes
- 3) Political intervention to force a draw - No Votes
- Δ) Something else - 26 Votes
As people did discuss them here are my rough thoughts on the losing plans in reverse order;
(3) hinged on the changes in politics. On my brief skim it appears that in OTL the federal government steered clear of the whole thing, I believe because the state governors were Democrat and so FDR didn't want to intervene against his own party, he had enough fights going on that he wasn't looking for more. Landon would not be so constrained and as mentioned he was definitely from the labour friendly side of his party, so I can see him getting invovled and trying to do an 'honest broker' routine.
(ii) was a bit trickier. Idle thought would be to say US Steel didn't go union due to all the different politics, so the union was less confident and Little Steel firms less desperate. No big massacre as the firms thought they could wait it out and didn't need to 'break' the union with force. There are holes in that but I think you can get a steel firm win without a massacre which counts as 'cleaner' in my book.
(a) Would have been the most straightforward. Easiest, if bloodiest, is the massacre being properly reported on. Landon makes a big address, angry about half a dozen protestors being shot in the back and threatens federal intervention unless the state sorts things out. The firms fold in the hope that getting a deal done and stopping the protests will at least stop things getting worse for them. You could probably even do a union win without the blood, but it's a losing background item so that is left as an exercise for the reader and/or voter. I hope the people voting are readers, but stranger things have happened.
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My general impression of the voters who explained their votes was we'd all quite like the unions to get a better deal, but we also want the US steel and/or the wider US to get crapped on some more.
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