The Chinese Automatically Revolting Provinces

[vimhawk]

Haven't played China before in all my years of EU2. Had a quick look just now and noted that from the start there are four provinces (Hanoi, Bacbo, Huang, Tonkin) that have revolt rates of *over 800%*!!!

Now I don't know if this is set to reflect some historic factors, or if it disappears by some kind of event, or if its just a mismatch but whatever the reason for it, it doesn't make for much fun playing having them revolt at every opportunity. So I am asking help from someone who knows about editing such things about if it's possible to change this, and what I need to look for in what file.

Many thanks for your help in advance.

 

[Ober]

Had a quick look just now and noted that from the start there are four provinces (Hanoi, Bacbo, Huang, Tonkin) that have revolt rates of *over 800%*!!!

Vietnamese revolt. You'll have some more revolts like this in early period of game in other Chinese provinces.
I've been playing China once, and there is easy solution to deal with Dai Viet. Event about their independence should fire just after start of the game (dunno, max 5 years after it IIRC). You just have to grant them independence, then vassalize them and annex easily - it can be accomplished in 15th Century, really easily

Two more things:
1. You are playing China - prepare for revolts. The worst one are these in the beginning of 17th Century. Better annex Manchu before that date and then endure, destroy rebels. Or maybe you can switch to Manchu then and create Qing Dynasty Once again - it's China, Asian country. In Eu2/FtG these are full of revolts. Trust me, I'm Ober.

2. You should have Zheng He somewhere on the seas, at Persian Coast I suppose. He is explorer, so why don't give it a shot and discover America? It's hell of a fun I was dying from laughter, when Spanish ships arrived there and found han confucian Mexico So, make use of Zheng He, he is beast

 

[vimhawk]

Thanks for the advice, will have a go. Will certainly try and discover America!

 

[Ober]

Thanks for the advice, will have a go. Will certainly try and discover America!

Let us know about results China is quite a funny country to play. Hope you kill all pesky rebels.

 

[vimhawk]

As at 1524 I've got cities in all the provinces the explorer discovered before he died (good suggestion!) This is most of the North American west coast, a few parts of Central America and quite a few places in South America (plus assorted Pacific islands). If China has a conquistador about the same time I think it would be game over for the rest of the world! I haven't gone much in for local expansion, left the neighbouring countries alone, at least while I had room to colonise eastward. Might change now I've run out of space. Not looking forward to the next round of revolts etc which you said happens early 1600s?

Also been increasing my knowledge of the world by swapping discoveries, though the "latin" countries don't seem to want to exchange (see separate thread).

 

[Ober]

If China has a conquistador about the same time I think it would be game over for the rest of the world!

Not sure when Asian countries are given generic conq/explo. But it'll happen at some point 4 sure.
Did you conquer Aztecs etc.?

I haven't gone much in for local expansion, left the neighbouring countries alone, at least while I had room to colonise eastward.

Sure, lack of cultures kills stuff. I used to have border on Mekong River IIRC (talkin' about vanilla map) and have all these Indochinese states (Ayutthaya, Birma, etc.) as my vassals. It looks nice

Not looking forward to the next round of revolts etc which you said happens early 1600s?

White Lotus rebbelions or stuff similar to that, RR is quite-a-big at the time, for about 10 or even 20 years IIRC. However, rebels itself aren't that big deal - Manchu might be. IIRC (again, I've played China loong time ago in EU2 AGCEEP) it's the moment when they got Nuruhachi - quite a good leader and it's easy to destroy China with events. If you annexed Manchu ya got nothin' to fear - only a fact that it'll be boring age of rebellions.

Also been increasing my knowledge of the world by swapping discoveries, though the "latin" countries don't seem to want to exchange

They don't, but Golden Horde's remnants and Northern Africa countries are always useful when it comes to maps.

 

[Dragassa]

I am playing as China right now and have the usual revolts. What would be the best way to
either decrease the revolts, or to make my armies stronger so that they can be the rebels more
easily?

 

[ConjurerDragon]

I am playing as China right now and have the usual revolts. What would be the best way to
either decrease the revolts, or to make my armies stronger so that they can be the rebels more
easily?

Have you looked at your religious tolerance sliders so that you fully tolerate the religions of provinces you own? If you haven´t then you might have more revoltrisk there than necessary.

Everything else about rebels you can find in the old EU2 forum:
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?200487-Rebel-FAQ-v1.09

However rebels should be the biggest threat to China - for most of the game China is so rich and has so much manpower that it could easily conquer all it´s neighbours. The rebellions are not only historical, they have the purpose to occupy China with internal problems to prevent an ahistorical superpower.

 

[Samorim]

Go full narrowminded. That helps with stability, but makes tech more expensive. However, China is very rich and can take the extra expense relatively well. You can choose to full serfdom as well.

Regarding armies, go towards quality and land.