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Yes, til XI century Serbia included Bosnia ( at that time and after also known as "Western baptised Serbia"). The borders were in the N. river Sava, in W. rivers Vrbas and Piva, in the S. was Adriatic and on the E. it spread to river Ibar and mountin Kopaonik. That's it considering Serbian borders till XI cen. Its to precise but nevertheless some extra info. won't mind.
 
Yes, til XI century Serbia included Bosnia ( at that time and after also known as "Western baptised Serbia"). The borders were in the N. river Sava, in W. rivers Vrbas and Piva, in the S. was Adriatic and on the E. it spread to river Ibar and mountin Kopaonik. That's it considering Serbian borders till XI cen. Its to precise but nevertheless some extra info. won't mind.

Cant be.

From 925 AD till XII Bosnia is considered teritory west of Drina and east of Bosna river(and ower it to west, at southern area), north of Hum, and south of Soli(Srebrenica)
It did not streched to Vrbas and Sava at west and north those days, that come later when it become fully independed and building it own kingdom in 13/14cts.

Modern reserching and interpretation of Bosnia is that people inhabitating were slav origin, but not belonging to original Serb or Croat clans that populated areas west and east of them.

By modern interpretation, before 925 there is 50:50 it teritory was part of Croatian Kingdom, after 925 for certain it was.
Bosnia, as name, is first time mention in list of lands under control of King Tomislav in 925 who formed church, err, something, I forgot.
And it was predominantly most of time under control of Croatia till 1102.

Also I dont wish to start conversation regarding where was Serbia ( or Croatia) politicaly (or ethnicaly) before 1066 as CK dont start earlier.


I will only note that, when you are refering to borders of Serbia, reflecting situation of 12 ct all the way back to 8 tc as it is convinient, what is waco and dont have historical stand.

As for "Western baptised Serbia" name, when churches were still one (9,10,11ct ) dont make sense, it sound much more as something more new, much more new, name to me.
 
Originally posted by Demetrios
Of course, the whole Bulgarian subject is moot for CK anyway, as it is indisputable that Bulgaria had been totally absorbed by the Byzantine Empire by 1066. We pretty much know the borders between the Eastern Empire and the remaining Slav states (Rashka and Duklija) in 1066. So arguing over who lived where in the 900s is a bit unimportant in game terms... :D

Gotta love Basil II at times ;)

In the CK period of course Serbia is the greatest success-story in the Balkans in the early part of the 14th century under Stefan Dusan.
 
I said that Bosnia was a part of Serbian state during the reign of duke (knez) Ceslav, and was later formed on its western sides. It had in its neighborhood Croatian territories (zupanije) Pliva, Pset and Livno.
 
I said that Bosnia was a part of Serbian state during the reign of duke (knez) Ceslav, and was later formed on its western sides. It had in its neighborhood Croatian territories (zupanije) Pliva, Pset and Livno.

Sory if I interpreted your sentance wrong
Yes, til XI century Serbia included Bosnia ( at that time and after also known as "Western baptised Serbia").
 
Originally posted by Iostephanos


as far as the other, i only find the asen dynasty listed as bulgarian

steph

Romanian nationalists insist that the Asens were Romanian. Their kingdom was enough of a mix to be called the Vlacho-Bulgarian Empire. Part of the problem is that the Asens didn't think of themselves in terms of modern ethnicity, so we're trying to push a square peg into a round hole.

From my reading, I'd tend to argue that they probably had one Romanian grandparent, but wouldn't hesitate to list them as ethnically Bulgarian (or South Slav) in CK. It may not be completely accurate, but it's a game and we're being forced into a very simplified cultural model.

Alexandre
 
Originally posted by Jaron
did the byzantines conquer hungary at some point in time? Didnt they have a military victory or two (;)) after the crusades?

Manuel I Comnenus grabbed Dalmatia, and IIRC also managed to place his candidate on the Hungarian throne. He certainly didn't conquer the place though.
 
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"Hrv123" is a name of a person who have write that Soli is a name for Srebrenica, and is not a Soli is old name for Tuzla city in Bosnia, and lapsus calami is latin for a error in writing.;)