The importance of I:R to Pdx: Grand Campaign

[maxk94]

The journey to PDXCON begins: Introducing the Grand Campaign! 4 games, 4 weeks and 5 days of play!

Join the teams of Crusader Kings III, Europa Universalis IV, Hearts of Iron IV and Stellaris for the largest event this side of PDXCON Remixed. In a tale that takes us from 867A.D to the distant future, you, the Paradox Community, will have a deciding say on events that unfold!

Acting as our Senate, the community will have an opportunity to influence how each campaign unfolds by joining us in the Grand Campaign section of the PDXCON Remixed Discord. Become a part of the Senate here: https://discord.gg/pdxcon

Each leg of the journey will also have a knock on effect on the next, crafting a completely unique gamestate by the time we reach our Stellaris endgame. You have the power to not only shape history, but the universe!

The Event will be broadcast live on the Paradox Interactive Twitch Channel

The Dates​

1. Crusader Kings III: 21st April 12:00-22:00 CEST
2. Europa Universalis IV: 28th April 12:00-22:00 CEST
3. Hearts of Iron IV: 7th May 12:00 - 22:00 CEST
4. Stellaris: 15th-16th May 12:00 - 20:00 CEST

"Join the teams of Crusader Kings III, Europa Universalis IV, Hearts of Iron IV and Stellaris for the largest event this side of PDXCON Remixed. In a tale that takes us from 867A.D to the distant future, you, the Paradox Community, will have a deciding say on events that unfold!"

Why no Imperator?

Yes, now the objections come to the timeline.

But they are also interrupted in the 4 games between EU4 1822 to HOI4 1936 and 1949 to 2200 Stellaris.

You could of course have played a world region in Imperator, on almost the same map as CK3.

That Pdx doesn't do this speaks for itself.

 

[IsaacCAT]

I prefer to think that the dev team has no time for this and they are working on the next update.

Participating in the Grand Campaign may bring a peak of players, but on the long run we want the best game with periodic updates to accrue a loyal player base.

I have faith.

 

[maxk94]

I prefer to think that the dev team has no time for this and they are working in the next update.

The CK3-team doesnt?

 

[Snow Crystal]

Sure, they're also interrupted between some of the other games, but there's a 900 year gap between the end of Imperator and the start of CK. A gap where an incredible amount of change happened in the world. Until the day we make a Migration Era game, it doesn't make sense to me to try and bridge that gap directly.

 

[Daft]

It's all relative, isn't it? It is about maximizing audience in the time available, and my guess is that all of those games are bigger in terms of player base and viewership. Which is not to say that I:R is irrelevant or that it couldn't have benefited from some exposure.

But again, this is mainly a marketing event. It makes sense to showcase the games that are either new or have some hot new DLC rumbling down the pipe.

No need to be doomy and gloomy about I:R until PDX gives us an unequivocal indication that they won't do more with it. Everything else is just pure speculation.

 

[IsaacCAT]

Sure, they're also interrupted between some of the other games, but there's a 900 year gap between the end of Imperator and the start of CK. A gap where an incredible amount of change happened in the world. Until the day we make a Migration Era game, it doesn't make sense to me to try and bridge that gap directly.

Agreed.

How are they going to bridge the gap between HOIIV and Stellaris? If the Axis wins there will be the Commonwealth of Man and if the allies win the United Nations of Earth? It makes sense.

 

[maxk94]

Sure, they're also interrupted between some of the other games, but there's a 900 year gap between the end of Imperator and the start of CK. A gap where an incredible amount of change happened in the world. Until the day we make a Migration Era game, it doesn't make sense to me to try and bridge that gap directly.

A weak argument - no one can claim that no profound changes would take place between 1822 and 1936 and after 1949 until Stellaris. It's a matter of will.

 

[scriptkiddy]

Promoting CK3 instead of I:R is a big LOL. And even EU4 doesn’t belong in that list anymore because its product cycle has already come to an end with the Emperor DLC.

PDX should focus on I:R as their currently only title that is already released and worth expanding. Vic2, EU4 and HOI 4 are in need of sequels. Stellaris too, though it has proven to be pretty versatile so they might also just keep on patching it for a while. CK3 needs a technical overhaul; what were they even thinking by releasing a game without message settings!? And the other fantasy stuff is... well... weird.

 

[Tue_p3]

Sure, they're also interrupted between some of the other games, but there's a 900 year gap between the end of Imperator and the start of CK. A gap where an incredible amount of change happened in the world. Until the day we make a Migration Era game, it doesn't make sense to me to try and bridge that gap directly.

"Paradox interactive: Migration Era" confirmed

 

[Oshidashi]

As a consumer I don't really care, but working in marketing myself, I'm surprised and curious that a company would exclude a title like I:R from a promotional event, since it covers a unique period of history that has a very large potentially interested audience. With 2.0 being lauded as maybe having the best mechanics of any pdx game to date, there seems to be no drawback from including it on the event.

I can't think of a single reason why any company would work to create less promotion for a good product, so I understand people express concerns that I:R might become devoid from further development, although even if that were the case, the company should still desire to increase profits by simply promoting it. So I suspect the issue might be simply time, having no one available to introduce I:R on the event.

Edit: I wasn't well informed about the event. Apparently its main feature is playing a grand campaign. Considering Imperators timeline and the gap with CK, it makes perfect sense to me they didnt include it. I was thinking about your average developer event where its mostly about showing off everything they got and entertain fans.

 

[TheMind]

Sure, they're also interrupted between some of the other games, but there's a 900 year gap between the end of Imperator and the start of CK. A gap where an incredible amount of change happened in the world. Until the day we make a Migration Era game, it doesn't make sense to me to try and bridge that gap directly.

Vic3 confirmed?

 

[IsaacCAT]

The CK3-team doesnt?

I do not know. But I assume the team is bigger. I do not know how they distribute resources but player base may have something to do with it:

I love the 4 guys on EU:Rome

 

[Snow Crystal]

A weak argument - no one can claim that no profound changes would take place between 1822 and 1936 and after 1949 until Stellaris. It's a matter of will.

Ah yes, the rhetoric mastermind who starts every counter-argument with "weak argument", to make sure that his opponent knows that he is wrong. Genius move right there.

Between the end of Imperator and the start of CK3:

• Two gigantic faiths (see Christianity and Islam) have taken place of the old faiths.
• Western Roman Empire has fallen apart and crumbled.
• All of Europe has culturally shifted, after the significant migrations that has happened.
• The Pope has popped up as a religious leader in Rome, for large swathes of Europe.
• HRE through Charlemagne has come into existence.

And these are just off the top of my head. It simply doesn't make sense to jump 900 years into the future, and pretend everything would be the same.

"Paradox interactive: Migration Era" confirmed

Trust me, if it was something we were working on, I wouldn't talk about it here.

 

[Akbar The Great]

Promoting CK3 instead of I:R is a big LOL. And even EU4 doesn’t belong in that list anymore because its product cycle has already come to an end with the Emperor DLC.

PDX should focus on I:R as their currently only title that is already released and worth expanding. Vic2, EU4 and HOI 4 are in need of sequels. Stellaris too, though it has proven to be pretty versatile so they might also just keep on patching it for a while. CK3 needs a technical overhaul; what were they even thinking by releasing a game without message settings!? And the other fantasy stuff is... well... weird.

Sadly, EUIV's content cycle has not come to an end with the broken "Emporer" DLC they're still milking the crap out of it, there's another £15 DLC coming at the end of the month named "Leviathan", which as EUIV is creaking under it's own weight, is unintentionally ironic.

 

[IsaacCAT]

So I suspect the issue might be simply time, having no one available to introduce I:R on the event.

Great deduction that fits perfectly my wishes.

 

[Daft]

Great deduction that fits perfectly my wishes.

And again, I assume the player base, sales, announced or expected upcoming DLC also figures into the decision making process.

To me it kind of makes sense. Could it mean that PDX has ritually sacrificed the whole I:R team (@Arheo seems too quiet) in an effort to increase HoI sales, but I doubt it.

Sweden isn't just known for 52 weeks of vacation. We also frown on murder, especially ones that could be perceived as Norse ritual killings.

But again, and on a more serious note, people are reading way too much into this. Yes, you could argue that I:R would benefit from the exposure, but I bet all the other games are judged to bring more eyes to the event, and in the end, that will be one of the most important parameters they have to work with.

 

[maxk94]

Ah yes, the rhetoric mastermind who starts every counter-argument with "weak argument", to make sure that his opponent knows that he is wrong. Genius move right there.

Between the end of Imperator and the start of CK3:

• Two gigantic faiths (see Christianity and Islam) have taken place of the old faiths.
• Western Roman Empire has fallen apart and crumbled.
• All of Europe has culturally shifted, after the significant migrations that has happened.
• The Pope has popped up as a religious leader in Rome, for large swathes of Europe.
• HRE through Charlemagne has come into existence.

And these are just off the top of my head. It simply doesn't make sense to jump 900 years into the future, and pretend everything would be the same.

Trust me, if it was something we were working on, I wouldn't talk about it here.

Play Imperator in southern India

Pandya and Chola are available in IR and CK3

In Imperator Southern India is hindu, in CK3 also.

Really nothing much happened there. Pure continuity. More than between EU4 and HOI4 at all.

 

[maxk94]

I do not know. But I assume the team is bigger. I do not know how they distribute resources but player base may have something to do with it:

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I love the 4 guys on EU:Rome

Thats the real answer why Imperator:Rome is not included in the Grand Campaign. It's the fanbase.
It would be okay if they say so - they dont.

the problem: no attention brings no fan base

 

[Torugu]

Sure, they're also interrupted between some of the other games, but there's a 900 year gap between the end of Imperator and the start of CK. A gap where an incredible amount of change happened in the world. Until the day we make a Migration Era game, it doesn't make sense to me to try and bridge that gap directly.

Just wanted to chime in to say that it's very reassuring to have a Dev weigh in on this. It goes a long way to reassure me that IR hasn't been forgotten. ;D

 

[IsaacCAT]

the problem: no attention brings no fan base

Marketing attention is not the only attention we can have.

Let's wait for the DEV team to explain what they have been working on when they are ready. A short peak by Marketing is nice but as @Torugu has just said, I prefer Devs attention to the game.