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the Knights Templar

Can someone explain to me why the order of the Knights Templar was persecuted by the Catholic Church? What did they say, that made everyone so upset. I once read, that they said there was no god or something like that. But then, this information is from a site about conspiracies ;)
 
Re: the Knights Templar

Originally posted by Mieszko
Can someone explain to me why the order of the Knights Templar was persecuted by the Catholic Church? What did they say, that made everyone so upset. I once read, that they said there was no god or something like that. But then, this information is from a site about conspiracies ;)
I think this is a topic for a new thread...
 
Originally posted by Oldman
uhh...is there some thing special about this thread for it to have been viewd 1,329 times and only have one reply?:confused:
Yes there is. It's a split-off from another thread, and the split-off threads get screwed up views stat.

Now: Back on topic! :)
 
"The Templars, on leaving the Holy Land, upon the disastrous termination of the last Crusade and the fall of Acre, had taken temporary refuge in the island of Cyprus. After some vain attempts to regain a footing in Palestine and to renew their contests with the infidels, who were now in complete possession of that country, the Knights had retired from Cyprus and repaired to their different Commanderies in Europe, among which those in France were the most wealthy and the most numerous.

At this period Philip IV, known in history by the sobriquet of Philip the Fair, reigned on the French throne, and Clement V. was the Pontiff of the Roman Church. Never before had the crown or the tiara been worn by a more avaricious King or a more treacherous Pope. Clement, when Bishop of Bordeaux, had secured the influence of the French monarch toward his election to the papacy by engaging himself by an oath on the sacrament to perform six conditions imposed upon him by the king, the last of which was reserved as a secret until after his coronation.

This last condition bound him to the extermination of the Templars, an order of whose power Philip was envious and for whose wealth he was avaricious. Pope Clement, who had removed his residence from Rome to Poictiers, summoned the heads of the military orders to appear before him for the purpose, as he deceitfully pretended, of concerting measures for the inauguration of a new Crusade. James de Molay, the Grand Master of the Templars, accordingly, repaired to the papal court. While there the King of France preferred a series of charges against the Order, upon which he demanded its suppression and the punishment of its leaders.

The events that subsequently occurred have been well called a black page in the history of the order.

On the 13th of October, 1307, the Grand Master and one hundred and thirty-nine Knights were arrested in the palace of the Temple, at Paris, and similar arrests were on the same day made in various parts of France. The arrested Templars were thrown into prison and loaded with chains. They were not provided with a sufficiency of food and were refused the consolations of religion. Twenty-six princes and nobles of the court of France appeared as their accusers; and before the judgment of their guilt had been determined by the tribunals, the infamous Pope Clement launched a bull of excommunication against all persons who should give the Templars aid or comfort.

The trials, which ensued, were worse than a farce, only because of their tragic termination. The rack and the torture were unsparingly applied. Those who continued firm in a denial of guilt were condemned either to perpetual imprisonment or to the stake. Addison (editors note: Charles Addison was another author writing about the Templars in the 1800's ) says that one hundred and thirteen were burnt in Paris and others in Lorraine, in Normandy, at Carcassonne, and at Senlis."

http://www.templarhistory.com/scotland.html#top

above link the full article

http://www.templarhistory.com/history.html

Above link a very comprehensive site on the templars

Odin
 
I just thought they got too much power/cash and the Church decided that they didn't want them around so they said they were evil and that like every member had to spit on the cross and do weird shit..
 
about the templars, and the Order of Jerusalem Temple.

Technically the Templars are Pope subjects, and the Orders can be sue only by Pope or Papal Courts, not by any King, Dukes ....

To preserve the unicity of the Church and to preserve the concept of "the Pope have always right" (infaillibilite papale), Clement V have only accepted the the templars were judged one by one, as individual who used to be hidding by the order of Jerusalem Temple. The is "funny" to read the result of the meeting btw the the deputies and the templars are interresting, soon they don't ask about the Order but about the individuals.

The meaning , or the result, was the Pope was able to avoid the "confiscation " by Philip the fair of all the ground owned by the Order, and avoid to have a too much powerfull French king (remenber the Pope stay in Avignon at this time, and feel a little bit unconfortable).

Another result was the destruction of the power for the other orders, Philip have show they can be attacking.

Another result, less easy to understand, it's about economy. In some places, I will take for exemple the City of Salins les bains, at thistime with some strong Places (maison du temple) owned by the Order, the wealth of the neiborough is important ( peace, salt, long tern investment) the treasure of the temple wasmostly constuate about the ground, farms, rent, taxes ... never the peasants used to say the Order have gold (it's only the king who can have gold) but silver (second choice metal), some weeks before friday the 13th, that was in Salins (as in many places) some important convoys who went outside the city. After that, till now, the wealth of this city (who was one of the most important about the salt production) was year after year going down ... the templars disapear, one of the key of the economic development have disapear also : stability, longterm vision for investment. For hose who are interested about Templar, I speak about this city because tha wa the last place where Jacques de Molay was Master before to be Grand Master of the order, and the city was the prefered of this man(wonder why)and he had various plans for her.
 
i read somewhere in a history of money that the templars functioned as the first medieval bank, and so the french king's crackdown precipitated a medieval economic depression. the financial networks were then ressurected by the hanse and the italians --- flush with malinean gold due to rich trade with egypt.

some of the templar survival stories are interesting. there are some threads about templars in history fora.
 
http://www.templarhistory.com/history.html

The Knights Templar are a really intresting story from the period for sure. The above link is about the most complete templar site I have found, its got a lot of detail and confirms what you stated about the banking and the templars. They did infact give loans to many noble families, and those debts were apart of thier wealth and one of the reasons why Phillip had them persecuted.

BTW your sig "Bob Weir" The Grateful Dead's Bob Weir? if so nice to see another dead head, if not, never mind.

Odin