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His wife and his mother in law both feel no hesitation to interrupt court by yelling for him from other rooms in the castle. Worse, when they do so they call him Fanny.
 
Not to mention that ridiculous combination of stats.

"Honey, mi cara wife, how about we try to rule the kingdom through diplomatic acumen? My brother is doing that, what? I don't have a brother... What's that? Oh, you're sure? Ok I guess I have a brother. It's only fair that he gets to be the diplomat as I'm the ruler. Man I would love to have the drachmae he gets from his exploits, unfortunately I can't get out of bed!"

- curtain -
 
VoodooEconomist said:
I'm not sure if negative prestige is actual hatred - that's revolt risk. Prestige is what separates you from the commons, the respect you get from those below you and your peers, as well as your superiors. I'd imagine that such a ruler is simply completely ignored by his vassals and even peasants. When he walks about his palace the guards are telling jokes about him without even trying to hide him, his hunting hounds just sit by the fire without noticing him, and his son calls him "dude" instead of "my most serene liege Father". When enters the city on a rainy day wagons transporting fruit to the market splash him with mud, but no peasant would waste a good tomato by throwing it at him. And when he finally reaches a tavern and wants to order an ouzo or some retsina, all the commonfolk turn their backs murrmuring "oh, this guy again" while the barkeep only serves him when there's nothing else left to do, and expects a tip even if he made him wait two hours for some goshdarned fried calamari to go with the wine. Poor poor dodge Fantino, being prestigeless is much sadder than being hated. Especially since he's an ambitious sort of fellow.
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uhhh... I was actually trying to point out that he's:
infirm
:closedeyes:
 
Jaidal said:
uhhh... I was actually trying to point out that he's:
infirm
:closedeyes:
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And no wonder! An ambitious dodge like that, treated like dirt by everybody? "Depressed" is not enough to describe what the poor guy must be going through. If I were him, I'd probably bury myself between the sheets and just stare at the ceiling, wondering what I did wrong and when did I let my life slip away from me into this terrible downward spiral that suffocates me each day and saps all my energy making waiting for the Angel of Mercy the only thing to do, not ending my life on my own just so that the family doesn't get the satisfaction.
 
VoodooEconomist said:
I'm not sure if negative prestige is actual hatred - that's revolt risk. Prestige is what separates you from the commons, the respect you get from those below you and your peers, as well as your superiors. I'd imagine that such a ruler is simply completely ignored by his vassals and even peasants. When he walks about his palace the guards are telling jokes about him without even trying to hide him, his hunting hounds just sit by the fire without noticing him, and his son calls him "dude" instead of "my most serene liege Father". When enters the city on a rainy day wagons transporting fruit to the market splash him with mud, but no peasant would waste a good tomato by throwing it at him. And when he finally reaches a tavern and wants to order an ouzo or some retsina, all the commonfolk turn their backs murrmuring "oh, this guy again" while the barkeep only serves him when there's nothing else left to do, and expects a tip even if he made him wait two hours for some goshdarned fried calamari to go with the wine. Poor poor dodge Fantino, being prestigeless is much sadder than being hated. Especially since he's an ambitious sort of fellow.
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This would make a good AAR: Fantino, the wretched Dodge of Krete.
 
lelyanra said:
More like agnostic since there still "faith".
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'Sigh' No. You can make a claim like that about some atheists. (those who believe there is no god) But all it takes to be an atheist is a lack of belief in any god. That means some agnostics are atheists too. (since an agnostic who claims no knowledge about the existence of any particular god generally doesn't claim any belief in the existence of any particular god either) And that is the key difference between theism/gnosticism and atheism/agnosticism. One is concerned with claims about belief and the other is concerned with claims about knowledge. They are not mutually exclusive.
 
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Kaliptra said:
This would make a good AAR: Fantino, the wretched Dodge of Krete.
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Why thank you, I take that as a compliment :) While the fate of Dodge Fantino belongs to Torngasuk I'll be happy to create a highly narrative AAR as soon as I:

1) Have more time on my hands,
2)Learn to play the game properly, as I am a n00b.
 
VoodooEconomist said:
Why thank you, I take that as a compliment :) While the fate of Dodge Fantino belongs to Torngasuk I'll be happy to create a highly narrative AAR as soon as I:

1) Have more time on my hands,
2)Learn to play the game properly, as I am a n00b.
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1. You can do it in your own time, on your own schedule.
2. Those make for the best AARs! ;) Ever heard of the famous "Boatmurdered"?
 
stars2heaven said:
'Sigh' No. You can make a claim like that about some atheists. (those who believe there is no god) But all it takes to be an atheist is a lack of belief in any god. That means some agnostics are atheists too. (since an agnostic who claims no knowledge about the existence of any particular god generally doesn't claim any belief in the existence of any particular god either) And that is the key difference between theism/gnosticism and atheism/agnosticism. One is concerned with claims about belief and the other is concerned with claims about knowledge. They are not mutually exclusive.
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This is a semantics argument that could last until the end of days and isn't really relevant to this thread.
 
Jaidal said:
1. You can do it in your own time, on your own schedule.
2. Those make for the best AARs! ;) Ever heard of the famous "Boatmurdered"?
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The problem is, nobody can really affirm to not be n00b with DF, not even Toady.
With CK (and generically PI's games), you'll eventually manage to learn the rules and exploit them. With DF, you'll never understand how to beat the Urists.
 
thekaspa said:
the problem is, nobody can really affirm to not be n00b with df, not even toady.
With ck (and generically pi's games), you'll eventually manage to learn the rules and exploit them. With df, you'll never understand how to beat the urists.
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TANTRUM SPIRAL [/caps]
 
stars2heaven said:
'Sigh' No. You can make a claim like that about some atheists. (those who believe there is no god) But all it takes to be an atheist is a lack of belief in any god. That means some agnostics are atheists too. (since an agnostic who claims no knowledge about the existence of any particular god generally doesn't claim any belief in the existence of any particular god either) And that is the key difference between theism/gnosticism and atheism/agnosticism. One is concerned with claims about belief and the other is concerned with claims about knowledge. They are not mutually exclusive.
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The mere mention of atheism is all it takes to turn a joke into a lecture these days.
 
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