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Uhm, I was using that...

Out of the blue, game decides to take my two greatworks away. Two years have passed since, I'm STILL paying for next stage being buit. I don't get benefits from them. Guy who took them over used to get them, but has since become unlanded and doesn't get them anymore, nor does his top liege. Greatwork history window doesn't have any new entries, his takeover is still the last one.
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edit: got them back after my ruler died.
 
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Unready said:
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The Immortal Child of Destiny.
(with unlimited invasion CB)
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Your game is about to turn a lot more... interesting once you start having a lot of descendants with the immortality bloodline. ;)




th3freakie said:
How did you manage to get coptic culture/religion? I've attempted to invite members of the Coptic Pope's court to mine but they never accept.
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You can buy a favor from them and force-invite them over (requires the Conclave DLC). It has some restrictions, but you can usually find someone who is an eligible target. :)
 
Unready said:
What interesting in descendants except some more health?
The only immortal being here is my character.
At least for now :)
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Many bloodlines etc have effects that aren't visible in tooltips. In this particular case:

The Immortality bloodline has the property Murderous AI, meaning any AI character with this bloodline will start murder plots left, right and centre. If you have a lot of descendants, it could get messy...
 
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jonjowett said:
Many bloodlines etc have effects that aren't visible in tooltips. In this particular case:

The Immortality bloodline has the property Murderous AI, meaning any AI character with this bloodline will start murder plots left, right and centre. If you have a lot of descendants, it could get messy...
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AI characters will only use this plot if:
  • Target does not have a pilgrim trait
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Very unusual but ok, I'll send him there.
 
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Unready said:
Very unusual but ok, I'll send him there.
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I'm pretty sure that this is only intended to prevent AI from starting plots against people who are currently on a pilgrimage. After you return, you'll be fair game.

(Also, even if your interpretation is correct and you can't be targeted if you have a pilkgrim trait, your personal pilgrim trait won't protect everyone else in the same realm. You get a murder! And you! And you! Everyone gets a murder!)

I checked the code, and I believe this is what the wiki means by "Target does not have a pilgrim trait":

Code: 
    chance = {
...
        modifier = {
            factor = 0
            ROOT = {
                is_pilgrim = yes
            }
        }
(...\common\objectives\00_plots.txt line 994)

In this context, "ROOT" is the potential target of the plot. "is_pilgrim" is defined as "Checks if a character has a trait with pilgrimage = yes". IE: The AI won't start a plot if the potential target has a "pilgrimage" trait.

On checking the traits, here's every trait I could find which has pilgrimage = yes:
  • on_pilgrimage # Christian pilgrim while doing pilgrimage
  • on_indian_pilgrimage # Dharmic pilgrim while doing pilgrimage
  • kow_tow_travels (not commented, I assume this is the trait you get while on kowtow to China)
  • travelling (not commented, I think this is given temporarily for some event chains)
  • on_hajj # Muslim performing hajj
In summary: Characters are protected from being the target of murder plots if they are currently on a pilgrimage. After they return, they are fair game.
 
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Unready said:
What interesting in descendants except some more health?
The only immortal being here is my character.
At least for now :)
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I'll quote from my bloodline breeding guide:
"What this means is that not only does the AI become twice as likely to murder plot, it also becomes very indiscriminate in its targets. Most AI characters only murder for a reason, as bad as the reason may be. NPCs with murder bloodlines become like Lunatic and Possessed characters in selecting murder targets, which means that they might end up murdering someone for no real reason.

Beware: the immortality bloodline also makes the AI murderous. While it is a very useful bloodline since it gives +1 health, imagine all your descendants living longer due to that extra health, being twice as murderous as anyone else, very likely to become Ambitious and very unlikely to ever lose the trait, and being indiscriminately murderous like a Lunatic. Add claims and pretenders on top of that, and I don't think I have to draw you a picture of what can happen with a large dynasty, do I?"

(The immortality bloodline also contains the ambitious flag, which makes characters very likely to become Ambitious, and they can no longer randomly lose that trait when having too many personality traits.)

Does make for a fun game, though! :)
 
jonjowett said:
I'm pretty sure that this is only intended to prevent AI from starting plots against people who are currently on a pilgrimage. After you return, you'll be fair game.

(Also, even if your interpretation is correct and you can't be targeted if you have a pilkgrim trait, your personal pilgrim trait won't protect everyone else in the same realm. You get a murder! And you! And you! Everyone gets a murder!)

I checked the code, and I believe this is what the wiki means by "Target does not have a pilgrim trait":

Code: 
    chance = {
...
        modifier = {
            factor = 0
            ROOT = {
                is_pilgrim = yes
            }
        }
(...\common\objectives\00_plots.txt line 994)

In this context, "ROOT" is the potential target of the plot. "is_pilgrim" is defined as "Checks if a character has a trait with pilgrimage = yes". IE: The AI won't start a plot if the potential target has a "pilgrimage" trait.

On checking the traits, here's every trait I could find which has pilgrimage = yes:
  • on_pilgrimage # Christian pilgrim while doing pilgrimage
  • on_indian_pilgrimage # Dharmic pilgrim while doing pilgrimage
  • kow_tow_travels (not commented, I assume this is the trait you get while on kowtow to China)
  • travelling (not commented, I think this is given temporarily for some event chains)
  • on_hajj # Muslim performing hajj
In summary: Characters are protected from being the target of murder plots if they are currently on a pilgrimage. After they return, they are fair game.
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Karlington said:
I'll quote from my bloodline breeding guide:
"What this means is that not only does the AI become twice as likely to murder plot, it also becomes very indiscriminate in its targets. Most AI characters only murder for a reason, as bad as the reason may be. NPCs with murder bloodlines become like Lunatic and Possessed characters in selecting murder targets, which means that they might end up murdering someone for no real reason.

Beware: the immortality bloodline also makes the AI murderous. While it is a very useful bloodline since it gives +1 health, imagine all your descendants living longer due to that extra health, being twice as murderous as anyone else, very likely to become Ambitious and very unlikely to ever lose the trait, and being indiscriminately murderous like a Lunatic. Add claims and pretenders on top of that, and I don't think I have to draw you a picture of what can happen with a large dynasty, do I?"

(The immortality bloodline also contains the ambitious flag, which makes characters very likely to become Ambitious, and they can no longer randomly lose that trait when having too many personality traits.)

Does make for a fun game, though! :)
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As a result, I would not say that I felt any difference in the level of violence at court. Everything seems to be as usual.
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