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I don't know if I have so huge luck, but 4 games and 4 times Ottos do very very bad.

Khmer, Cree, Pegu, Majapahit, so I didn't even had a chance to contribute to their weakness

In my current game they basically have Candar area and few other provinces in 163X.

I haven't seen them expanding even into Syria or Hungary in 1.31.4, so at least let them have Crimea for free
 
Could peoples' accounts of the Ottomans performing differently be based on what rulesets they're playing on? I'd imagine that on difficulties outside of Normal, without the Lucky bonus and ahistorical development distribution, the Ottomans might have a harder time expanding. In fact, discussion about the performance of Ottomans at the hands of the AI might not even be helpful without knowing the rulesets people are using.
 
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there is a bug that the ottomans get one one one rulers from their government form, it also makes the daughters one gets weak or Polands ruler if not going for pu a 333. So less points, means less agressive ai, plus behind in tech compared to bigger neighbours.
 
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In my current game Ottos got the crimean event and even allied Novgorod saving it from being swallowed by Moskovy. Moskovy turned to Russia and is still a major player despite that with a big army and ample manpower (Russia is the 9th great power, I just usurped its spot on account of it being behind in institution). Ottoman expansion eastward stopped short of Sarai. Ottoman have spared Hungary so far but have taken the egyptian coast and are carving up the mameluke in successive wars.

It's 1550. And everything seems about right. Crimea going Otto isn't going to turn tragic every time. It's just one outcome.
 
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Vicar of Christ said:
In my current game Ottos got the crimean event and even allied Novgorod saving it from being swallowed by Moskovy. Moskovy turned to Russia and is still a major player despite that with a big army and ample manpower (Russia is the 9th great power, I just usurped its spot on account of it being behind in institution). Ottoman expansion eastward stopped short of Sarai. Ottoman have spared Hungary so far but have taken the egyptian coast and are carving up the mameluke in successive wars.

It's 1550. And everything seems about right. Crimea going Otto isn't going to turn tragic every time. It's just one outcome.
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It also seesaws patch to patch. Now France or Spain won't take dotf, so let's see if Otto is back to his old self. 1.3 he was kinda weak.

Btw, I've seen many more runs with Novgorod being backed by Poland, Denmark, and/or Otto. I think even Great Horde too.

Maybe this is a ninja Poland patch.
 
Reminder that this event still sucks and should be removed. It's especially hilarious when Genoa takes over Crimea and then this event fires and magically takes away all the Crimean cores from Genoa, revives Crimea, and makes them an Ottoman march.
 
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BoomKidneyShot said:
When did the event start doing that? Are you sure it does?
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Had it happen to me. Genoa owned all of Crimea and then this event turned it all back to Crimea and made it an Ottoman march. I've been away from EU4 for some time so I figured this was a known issue.

Regardless, this is the worst event ever made in EU4 and the designers had many chances to say 'sorry about that one' and revert it, but instead just made excuses, changed probabilities, and left in the game out of seemingly sheer pride.
 
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durbal said:
Had it happened to me. Genoa owned all of Crimea and then this event turned it all back to Crimea and made it an Ottoman march. I've been away from EU4 for some time so I figured this was a known issue.
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I can't comment on old versions of the event because I don't have them installed, but the only time the current Crimean Succession events transfer provinces to anyone is certain provinces get passed to TUR in one of the choices if they're currently owned by CRI.
 
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grommile said:
I can't comment on old versions of the event because I don't have them installed, but the only time the current Crimean Succession events transfer provinces to anyone is certain provinces get passed to TUR in one of the choices if they're currently owned by CRI.
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I don't think I'm imagining things. Regardless, as I said, the event still sucks and should be removed.
 
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durbal said:
Had it happen to me. Genoa owned all of Crimea and then this event turned it all back to Crimea and made it an Ottoman march. I've been away from EU4 for some time so I figured this was a known issue.

Regardless, this is the worst event ever made in EU4 and the designers had many chances to say 'sorry about that one' and revert it, but instead just made excuses, changed probabilities, and left in the game out of seemingly sheer pride.
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The event does not take land from other tags and then resurrects Crimea. Crimea needs to exist and the Ottomans get them as a march. The Ottomans need to fight tags with Crimean cores to get the Crimean cores back. Once Genoa leaves the HRE, it’s an easy fight for them.
 
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Lithuania & North of Black Sea are criminally neglected. This event is just one of the issues.

I hope EU4 or EU5 does it justice.
 
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The event does not take land from other tags and then resurrects Crimea. Crimea needs to exist and the Ottomans get them as a march. The Ottomans need to fight tags with Crimean cores to get the Crimean cores back. Once Genoa leaves the HRE, it’s an easy fight for them.
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Literally watched yellow become teal at the same time the event window popped up for 'We must seek Ottoman protection'. Maybe Genoa lost a continental war and was forced to release Crimea which then immediately triggered the event?

Anyway, as I said, the event still sucks. Easily worst in the game. It's ahistorical and warps gameplay in the region.
 
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Literally watched yellow become teal at the same time the event window popped up for 'We must seek Ottoman protection'. Maybe Genoa lost a continental war and was forced to release Crimea which then immediately triggered the event?

Anyway, as I said, the event still sucks. Easily worst in the game. It's ahistorical and warps gameplay in the region.
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I looked over the event and there is nothing about cores being returned to Crimea. There are three provinces that will be given to the Ottomans if Crimea owns them. I also learned that the event won’t fire if Crimea doesn’t own a port(I didn’t know that). The likeliest thing to happen, as you said, was Crimea being released.
 
If the event is firing at/near moment Crimea is released, it is definitely outside the conditions that resemble the historical situation. It's already bogus to give special exceptions that ignore game rules, but having it happen w/o the relevant situation is even worse. At that point the game is randomly breaking its own rules for no reason.
 
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