-
We have updated our Community Code of Conduct. Please read through the new rules for the forum that are an integral part of Paradox Interactive’s User Agreement.
The team of madchemist, alxeu, and Dyranum was APPROVED 3-2:
Approve: madchemist, alxeu, Dyranum
Reject: Falc, aedan
The mission FAILED. One of madchemist, alxeu, and Dyranum deliberately sabotaged the washing and setting out of the cutlery. Whichever of them it was unacceptably failed to clean the fork.
madchemist used his Keeping a Close Eye on You on alxeu.
Spies 1 - 1 Resistance
aedan777 is the leader.
He has the following card to pass out:
Overheard Conversation (Use immediately) The player to whom the Leader passes this card must publicly choose one player adjacent to him on the player list. This player's role will be revealed to him through PM by the GM.
Once Overhead Conversation has been resolved, only then may aedan propose a team of two to burst in and efficiently torture the heresy out of some suspects.
Approve: madchemist, alxeu, Dyranum
Reject: Falc, aedan
The mission FAILED. One of madchemist, alxeu, and Dyranum deliberately sabotaged the washing and setting out of the cutlery. Whichever of them it was unacceptably failed to clean the fork.
madchemist used his Keeping a Close Eye on You on alxeu.
Spies 1 - 1 Resistance
Round 3
aedan777 is the leader.
He has the following card to pass out:
Overheard Conversation (Use immediately) The player to whom the Leader passes this card must publicly choose one player adjacent to him on the player list. This player's role will be revealed to him through PM by the GM.
Once Overhead Conversation has been resolved, only then may aedan propose a team of two to burst in and efficiently torture the heresy out of some suspects.
Well that was to be expected. I'll wait for the results of Madchemist's card before team proposal or giving out the card.
Hmm. So if Alxeu is a spy, then Madchemist is covering for him. Madchemist could be resistance, or he could be framing Dyranum, or they could both be spies. Actually, Alxeu could be a spy, even if madchemist is not, and merely supported while his spymate, Dyranum sabotaged. A possibility considering Dyranum supported the previous mission without cause. Though madchemist could be a spy too, and trying to set up the spies in opposition, so at least one will be trusted. Or maybe I'm just overthinking it.
Regardless Dyranum comes out worst, and I can't give the card to anyone reliable who can check Madchemist, so
Card to alxeu
And you better check Dyranum with it.
The response doesn't change my proposal though
Team of:
Aedan
Alxeu
since I trust myself, and alxeu looks the best of the people involved, for what little that counts.
Approve
Regardless Dyranum comes out worst, and I can't give the card to anyone reliable who can check Madchemist, so
Card to alxeu
And you better check Dyranum with it.
The response doesn't change my proposal though
Team of:
Aedan
Alxeu
since I trust myself, and alxeu looks the best of the people involved, for what little that counts.
Approve
Option A: madchemist speaks true. Conclusion from my POV: Dyranum spy, most likely other spy is Aedan, therefore I want the card to go to me so I can check him.
Option B: madchemist lies, thus he is the spy and Dyranum + Alxeu probably aren't. Again, most likely second spy is Aedan so I want the card.
Unfortunatly, we cannot use the Overheard Conversation to check on madchemist since it would have to go to Dyranum who will claim madchemist is a Spy in any case.
Option B: madchemist lies, thus he is the spy and Dyranum + Alxeu probably aren't. Again, most likely second spy is Aedan so I want the card.
Unfortunatly, we cannot use the Overheard Conversation to check on madchemist since it would have to go to Dyranum who will claim madchemist is a Spy in any case.
Alxeu, if you are resistance, then you're in pretty much the same position as me: either mc or dyranum is a spy and all things considered, you're probably better off looking for the second one rather than trying to determine which one of the two it is, so at the very least consider using it on me.
Cleanest solution is to keep going. We have great momentum, let's not get bogged down.
Yes, we should keep going, but how? Do we just skip your turn and resolve it as though aedan was always the next in command, or do we make you the leader and give you the card to dispose of as you see fit? I have no real preference for either.
Erm, leader should be alxeu now. The error probably happened 'cause they both start with A. But I would keep everything as-is and just have alxeu next, then me, then we skip aedan and keep going as before.
My observations:
-madchemist is a spy. I would in particular like to point to this strange statement: "Well, I get the card at least, which bodes somewhat well for Falc being good." Falc does not know whether or not madchemist was Resistance, and madchemist does not know whether Falc is Resistance or not. As such, this exchange is very very change, and quite suspicious. I would also like to refer back to what I said earlier about statistics, as well as his recent accusations which are grounded in the assumption of both him and Alxeu being Resistance. Unfortunately, if he is a spy, then he is lying.
-Alxeu is too blatant to not be Resistance. That said, he could be a spy, but playing very unsubtly, but I highly doubt that.
-Falc ... tricky. Some things point to being a spy, and some to being Resistance. In particular, him being correct on one on the team being a spy points to him being a Resistance, for if there are three on a team and Falc was Resistance then he would know that there was at least one spy. It would also be quite risky for himself to state such if he in fact was a spy.
-When it comes to Aedan, well ... applying the reasoning above on Falc's actions, I think he is a spy. He gave no other reason for rejecting except "obvious reasons" (in contrast to Falc's very determined "there is a spy!", which as said is very risky to say if you yourself are a spy), which I interpret as him not being on the team. In addition, he was the first one to raise any real suspicion. One could also add his lack of elaboration on his reasonings to the pile, though it is natural for anyone to only trust themselves.
On the other hand, both Alxeu and madchemist could be spies, but that would be most unlikely, and does not match up with the current evidence. Also, assuming that madchemist is speaking truthfully, then that is yet another point against Alxeu being a spy. Of course, that would make madchemist a spy ... which makes it unlikely that he would speak the truth.
As for me, I am just creating hypotheses and testing them out. Taking risks, yes, but one has to. Those who I currently suspect are Aedan and madchemist, on the grounds provided above. I tentatively believe that Alxeu and Falc are both clean.
EDIT: As for my "hunch" earlier, which was the reason for supporting that one mission, it was on whether or not madchemist was a spy (as for not suspecting Alxeu, see above).
EDIT2: That said, Falc has done some strange things, but I think he was just testing.
-madchemist is a spy. I would in particular like to point to this strange statement: "Well, I get the card at least, which bodes somewhat well for Falc being good." Falc does not know whether or not madchemist was Resistance, and madchemist does not know whether Falc is Resistance or not. As such, this exchange is very very change, and quite suspicious. I would also like to refer back to what I said earlier about statistics, as well as his recent accusations which are grounded in the assumption of both him and Alxeu being Resistance. Unfortunately, if he is a spy, then he is lying.
-Alxeu is too blatant to not be Resistance. That said, he could be a spy, but playing very unsubtly, but I highly doubt that.
-Falc ... tricky. Some things point to being a spy, and some to being Resistance. In particular, him being correct on one on the team being a spy points to him being a Resistance, for if there are three on a team and Falc was Resistance then he would know that there was at least one spy. It would also be quite risky for himself to state such if he in fact was a spy.
-When it comes to Aedan, well ... applying the reasoning above on Falc's actions, I think he is a spy. He gave no other reason for rejecting except "obvious reasons" (in contrast to Falc's very determined "there is a spy!", which as said is very risky to say if you yourself are a spy), which I interpret as him not being on the team. In addition, he was the first one to raise any real suspicion. One could also add his lack of elaboration on his reasonings to the pile, though it is natural for anyone to only trust themselves.
On the other hand, both Alxeu and madchemist could be spies, but that would be most unlikely, and does not match up with the current evidence. Also, assuming that madchemist is speaking truthfully, then that is yet another point against Alxeu being a spy. Of course, that would make madchemist a spy ... which makes it unlikely that he would speak the truth.
As for me, I am just creating hypotheses and testing them out. Taking risks, yes, but one has to. Those who I currently suspect are Aedan and madchemist, on the grounds provided above. I tentatively believe that Alxeu and Falc are both clean.
EDIT: As for my "hunch" earlier, which was the reason for supporting that one mission, it was on whether or not madchemist was a spy (as for not suspecting Alxeu, see above).
EDIT2: That said, Falc has done some strange things, but I think he was just testing.
Last edited:
Oops. Didn't notice that two players were skipped, not one. Anyhow, I think that's a reasonable way to resolve it, unless the other players strenuously object.
Dyranum, I like the fact you keep saying I did strange and suspicious things but you do not list any of them. You're not building much trust here.
Alright, we'll carry on. I've sent alxeu the results of the OC.
The next leaders are, after aedan, in this order:
The next leaders are, after aedan, in this order:
Last edited:
Ok, this is crap. My 'obvious reason' statement is to express that of course there was a spy on the team. I know I'm resistance, so by the sheer number of players there had to be a spy on the team. The fact you're trying to clear Falc for that is extremely odd. And I have described my reasons. Are you a spy trying to frame me, or a misguided resistance though?