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Here's a possible event which will probably hand the country over to the Scots if they don't have it already:
Code: 
event = {

	id = ????
	trigger = {
		NOT { war = { country = XXX  country = SCO } }
		NOT { event 200334 }
                exists = SCO
	}
	random = no
	country = XXX #whatever we call it
	name = "The Infant Duchess"
	desc = "Elizabeth, last of the Percy line, was a three year old child when she succeeded as Grand Duchess of XXX in 1670. The XXX parliament met and decided to negotiate a union with Scotland rather than face the uncertainty of a regency."

	date = { day = 21 month = september year = 1670 }
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1671 }

	action_a ={	
		name = "Patrick and the Scottish Union"
		command = { type = trigger which = ??? } #be annexed by SCO
	}
	action_b ={	
		name = "Keep Elizabeth as Grand Duchess"
		command = { type = relation which = SCO value = -100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 2 } 
	}
}
 
The Impaler said:
Here's a possible event which will probably hand the country over to the Scots if they don't have it already:
Code: 
event = {

	id = ????
	trigger = {
		NOT { war = { country = XXX  country = SCO } }
		NOT { event 200334 }
                exists = SCO
	}
	random = no
	country = XXX #whatever we call it
	name = "The Infant Duchess"
	desc = "Elizabeth, last of the Percy line, was a three year old child 
when she succeeded as Grand Duchess of XXX in 1670. The XXX parliament 
met and decided to negotiate a union with Scotland rather than face the uncertainty of a regency."

	date = { day = 21 month = september year = 1670 }
	deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1671 }

	action_a ={	
		name = "Patrick and the Scottish Union"
		command = { type = trigger which = ??? } #be annexed by SCO
	}
	action_b ={	
		name = "Keep Elizabeth as Grand Duchess"
		command = { type = relation which = SCO value = -100 }
		command = { type = stability value = -2 }
		command = { type = domestic which = aristocracy value = 2 } 
	}
}
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I think that this should happen somewhat earlier, 1670 is VERY late for a
minor state annax. If it does not happen sooner, it would probably get
annaxed in some war or by dip from scotland. I think the 1550s or so would
be much more realistic, if not earlier. I mean norway is suppose to be
annaxed in 1500 and it almost never does.
 
If that minor is supposed to be annexed by an event let it happen in the 1500s. That could also give Scotland claims on these provinces. (They should be able to get that if some other nation is able to annex them too).
 
Billdo said:
I think that this should happen somewhat earlier, 1670 is VERY late for a
minor state annax. If it does not happen sooner, it would probably get
annaxed in some war or by dip from scotland. I think the 1550s or so would
be much more realistic, if not earlier. I mean norway is suppose to be
annaxed in 1500 and it almost never does.
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But Elizabeth was a real person, and actually was 3 years old when her father died.
 
The Impaler said:
But Elizabeth was a real person, and actually was 3 years old when her father died.
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I am looking at the gameplay side of this, because if you wait for her, you will never have it happen. Really the latest that you can have an event like that happen and actually have it fire correctly, is the 1550s, if not earlier. In almost every game of AB that I have played, nearly all of the minors are gone by 1500, and I guarntee that this one will be nearly the same.

I am just looking out for game balance, and right now, this is a major hit to Scotland. While I agree that something needs to be done with scotland, but till 1670 is very extreme. Maybe you can kill off someother monarch somewhere and hand it off then.
 
I'd say to keep this event AND have an earlier one that might or might not happen, dependent on the situation. Maybe have the earlier one have two versions, depending on relations, alliance, etc... as in, Scotland has a better chance of getting it early if it takes care of it. Timewise, I'd put the early event in the late 1400's or early 1500's.

In fact, something like that might be suitable in other cases of vassals that are intended to be absorbed, elsewhere.
 
Aren't we forgetting they're going to start as vassals of Scotland anyway? There is nothing to prevent the normal diplo-annexation route. The Infant Duchess just gives Scotland a leg-up if for some reason they haven't managed that by 1670.
 
Here's the event we'd need for when Scotland finally inherits or diplo-annexes Norroy or whatever it's called. The deathdate appears because if Scotland hasn't got Yorkshire by the time little Elizabeth comes of age, Norroy will be too firmly established as a separate nation to stake a claim.
Code: 
event = {
id = ???
trigger = {
owned = { province = 241 data = -1 } #Yorkshire
NOT {exists = [the "Norroy" vassal] }
}
random = no
country = SCO
name = " The Grand Duke's Inheritance "
desc = " With the passing of [Norroy] to the Scottish crown, Scotland was able to claim the whole of the North of England. "
style = 2
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1688 }
action_a = {
name = " It is ours. "
	command = { type = addcore which = 241 }
	command = { type = addcore which = 245 }
}
Maybe this should trigger a further event, or maybe there should be two options, one which adds these cores only and another to claim the whole of England?
 
How about something where if someone else graps them up, scotland gets the cores:


event = {
id = ???
trigger = {
not ={
owned = { province = 241 data = -1 } #Yorkshire
exists = [the "Norroy" vassal]
}
}
random = no
country = SCO
name = " Conquest of [vassels name] "
desc = " Scotland and [name] had always had good relations and
several marriagies had tied the dynasties together. After their conquest by
a foreign power, the Scotish king welcomed the exciled members of their
court, pledging to help them regain their lost country."
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1420 }
offset = 600
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1820 }
action_a = {
name = " Lets help them reclaim their thone "
command = { type = addcore which = 241 }
command = { type = addcore which = 245 }
}
}

And then if they do reclaim it, they can release it again, or hold on to the land and have some minor problems.
 
And the vassal is named Northumberland now ;). I preferred the name to a nameless country.

Note that I won't be doing much for a few days; I've got a hell of a lot of homework.
 
tombom said:
And the vassal is named Northumberland now ;). I preferred the name to a nameless country.

Note that I won't be doing much for a few days; I've got a hell of a lot of homework.
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You're joking? NorthumberLAND? So we now have a province of Northumberland and a country called Northumberland which neither owns Northumberland nor has it as a core?!
 
The Impaler said:
You're joking? NorthumberLAND? So we now have a province of Northumberland and a country called Northumberland which neither owns Northumberland nor has it as a core?!
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Fine, it's renamed Norroy now. But in the end this may not go in, may end up having undesired effects. I'm playtesting now.

Or maybe it won't be up to me. Woo. There's a ghost.
 
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