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Yes, this is why I used the word "generally". In course of 20th century militaries did start experimenting with both layered/laminated armour and spaced armour with the intent of providing greater protection than the sum of it's parts (when the previous standard was less protection). Experiments with spaced armour were already ongoing in 1930s and Italian and German ships of the period came to incorporate it. For example, the Littorio class battleships featured an experimental belt scheme where there was 70mm plate outboard, followed by ~250mm gap, followed by the the actual 280mm face-hardened belt plate, with the intent that the outboard plate and the gap would be sufficient to strip the armour piercing cap (intended to defeat face-hardened armour) off striking projectile. The actual effectiveness of these schemes is debated.

IIam going back to my space physics degree here (15 yes ago) ... Using a structure with 2 gapped layers is generally a good way of protecting something. The reason being that the projectile tends to have enough velocity such that the first layer causes the projectile to become unstable and break in-between the two layers making smaller projectiles that cannot penetrate the subsequent layers. The problem is that they air-gap needs to be of quite a size making it unsuitable for tanks. The gap size is generally due to the size/velocity of the projectile. Spacecraft are subject to impacts from small particles (<grammes) travelling at km/s. Tanks are hit by larger projectiles at sub km/s. I.e. the tank would be unfeasibly large in order to use this type of armour.

As for sloped armour one of the things to remember is that a KE penetrator (hehe) will impact with a relatively small point. The transfer of all that energy onto a single point with small surface area makes the armour act in a non-solid way. It begins to act more like porridge as the weapon passes through. As such the sloped armour is less likely to deflect a round as it's like firing a nerd dart into porridge. The armour does offer additional thickness though. And then there is all of the layering which is not that well known.

If anyone is ever near Swindon/Oxford, my university has a bunch of tanks and some test fires at plates of armour. Open invitation to come and climb in/around our tanks!
 
It's not Oxford Uni it's its near by. See PM
 
The problem is that they air-gap needs to be of quite a size making it unsuitable for tanks. The gap size is generally due to the size/velocity of the projectile. Spacecraft are subject to impacts from small particles (<grammes) travelling at km/s. Tanks are hit by larger projectiles at sub km/s. I.e. the tank would be unfeasibly large in order to use this type of armour.

Wouldn't actually breaking up a hardened, forged steel projectile also be a problem? As I have understood it, the main point of contention with Littorio's previously described scheme is whether the 70mm plate was sufficient to even break off the soldered armour piercing cap off the projectile.
 
Bah, now I have to make sure I make up a reason to visit my works' offices in Swindon to go watch the tanks.
 
Wouldn't actually breaking up a hardened, forged steel projectile also be a problem? As I have understood it, the main point of contention with Littorio's previously described scheme is whether the 70mm plate was sufficient to even break off the soldered armour piercing cap off the projectile.

I think (and I am at the limit of my knowledge/memory) that a small enough piece causes the projectile to malform at one end and then the rear end causes the object to split - it was the differential between the hard layer and the air layer and there had to be a gap of a certain size.
 
Bah, now I have to make sure I make up a reason to visit my works' offices in Swindon to go watch the tanks.

Do it. Just give me.some heads up before as I'm only there part time now!
 
Wouldn't actually breaking up a hardened, forged steel projectile also be a problem? As I have understood it, the main point of contention with Littorio's previously described scheme is whether the 70mm plate was sufficient to even break off the soldered armour piercing cap off the projectile.

I wouldn't think it'd be a problem. You break off the cap and the projectile becomes much less deadly. I'm guessing that since the scheme was tested and isn't still being used that the original idea wasn't very good though.

Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whipple_shield for an explanation of the space version. Essentially the idea is that the incoming piece hits the shield, breaks apart to some extent, which lessens the load on the actual hull. Same energy over a larger area results in less penetration. In the same way that a needle can easily pierce skin but pressing on it with a finger will not.
 
I wouldn't think it'd be a problem. You break off the cap and the projectile becomes much less deadly. I'm guessing that since the scheme was tested and isn't still being used that the original idea wasn't very good though.

According to that '50s paper I linked, breaking up projectiles was a problem, at least in the designs that were being tested. Some were consistently intact. Breaking off the cap was far less so (at least, with these US army caps being tested), but didn't result in such a great increase in effective protection.

The general impression I got was that with all this different stuff flying around designing a general purpose spaced armour scheme was rather tricky. Even with the knowledge back then you could make a scheme if it was paired against specific kind of threat. And this could have worked in environment when the enemy itself had limited means, e.g. the paper describes plan to fit thin side skirts on Shermans for invasion of Japan to counter ambushes by Japanese 47mm ATGs. The Japanese didn't have much variety in the artillery they could hope to challenge Sherman with, so this was probably a good idea. But if the enemy does not oblige to expectation, the effect of spaced armour could actually be counterproductive.
 
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Not entirely sure what you saw (welding of extra thickness HT steel skin plating?), a link would be helpful.
A link would be nice, but I can't provide a link to an old piece of black & white film footage shown on a TV documentary about welding, several decades ago. I never thought about how ship armor was put together before that, but the film showed welders layering welds in the slightly tapered gaps between the plates, and building it up layer upon layer to fill those gaps with metal. Whether that was used on most ships, or just one specific type, was never mentioned, but it highlighted the difficulties involved in assembling large steel pieces (they looked to be more in the 3-5 foot range than 30 foot) that have to handle high stresses at the joints. The film also covered underwater work to build oil derricks, and various other "extreme" situations.
 
It’s called root and cap welding, a long run of weld joins the two north to south, this weld is then welded over from east to west covering weld and two pieces joined by the first weld. Building up with multiple layers. Typicaly there is a v shape where the two pieces butt together, created by chammphering, this is covered in the first weld, the root, and is then capped by the second weld, v can of course be quite a depth and require considerable time skill and effort to do.
 
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Also, you're wrong about it not providing more depth for reduced weight, it's not the same amount of metal because a slanted armor is there instead of two intersective straight pieces, the tradeoff is the overall volume of the tank is smaller, making it more cramped, this is why modern tank drivers are practically lying down.