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Kings rolled with a f+ck ton of titles. Whatever rolled best in people's tongue and mind became the name. The Ottomans called themselves develt-i aliyye. In European soruces it was just the "turkish Empire" or "Turkey" or "Turkeyland" aka "land of the turks". So you had maps showing whatever the map maker felt like.It’s a good point. Renaming your country to Prussia just because some newly conquered lands had prussians once makes little sense, don’t you think?
That's exactly what Brandenburg did historically. After getting control of East Prussia (the province was called this) they later used this to set up a Kingdom title, which was not allowed for their pre-existing land in the HRE. It was a slightly dubious play for getting a higher standing, but it was allowed due to heavy diplomatic maneuvering.It’s a good point. Renaming your country to Prussia just because some newly conquered lands had prussians once makes little sense, don’t you think? The fact that it would be a kingdom is even more bonkers (but in the spirit of the game)
There are bespoke (such as through events) ways of forming Prussia, and there are simple ways of forming Prussia (like conquest). If you aren't forming the tag historically then why should you need to go jump through hoops to single set of societal values? Prussia was formed in a very specific set of circumstances and those societal values aren't applicable to when the state was first created. Using societal values to gate tags feels like a terrible compromise that doesn't really slow down tag formation nor does it make it make more sense for a country to form a tag like Prussia.It’s a good point. Renaming your country to Prussia just because some newly conquered lands had prussians once makes little sense, don’t you think? The fact that it would be a kingdom is even more bonkers (but in the spirit of the game)
I know that’s what they did, but way later and through inheritance not conquering. I also think the value suggestion is not good.That's exactly what Brandenburg did historically. After getting control of East Prussia (the province was called this) they later used this to set up a Kingdom title, which was not allowed for their pre-existing land in the HRE. It was a slightly dubious play for getting a higher standing, but it was allowed due to heavy diplomatic maneuvering.
I don't see why it should be based on social values, because the creation of the title had nothing to do with that. Instead, maybe some of the special content should be restricted. So for instance getting special Prussian military reforms should depend on being far towards quality or something like that.
It doesnt matter if you are a kingdom by conquering stuff inside or outside of the HRE. The HRE had kingdoms that were mostly/fully inside of the HRE as well. E.g. kingdom of Italy.Okay now that I’m thinking about it, it could be through conquest as well. Now I want all hre princes to be able to rename themselves to Kingdom of xxx if they acquire external lands as well.
Any sort of kingdom inside the hre other than Bohemia was reserved for the roman emperor/king. If one ever comes to control 1/4 of the lands in the hre you will most likely be emperor regardless. See: the Habsburgs.It doesnt matter if you are a kingdom by conquering stuff inside or outside of the HRE. The HRE had kingdoms that were mostly/fully inside of the HRE as well. E.g. kingdom of Italy.
There were some title dispute shenanigans as in for some reason the HRE leader was butthurt about giving the title to anyone else, but I dont see a single good reason why a nation that owns (let's say) 1/4 of the HRE cant label itself kingdom.
The 1/4 is an example. It is perfectly possible that 2-3 nations emerge controlling about 20-25% of the entire HRE, in which case I dont see why only one of them can be a kingdom.Any sort of kingdom inside the hre other than Bohemia was reserved for the roman emperor/king. If one ever comes to control 1/4 of the lands in the hre you will most likely be emperor regardless. See: the Habsburgs.
Imperial law.The 1/4 is an example. It is perfectly possible that 2-3 nations emerge controlling about 20-25% of the entire HRE, in which case I dont see why only one of them can be a kingdom.