They are going full North Korea mode

[_Santiago_]

Boy did they start locking threads quickly. Anything that even hints at questioning their ever growing ridiculous DLC policy is being closed down in the Eu4 and Ck2 sub forums.

The latest Eu4 dev diary is a perfect example,they got some 400+ "respectful" disagreements on that one. Now more threads follow and they just get : boom banished.

What you guys need to understand is that we love your games,and we don't want to see them go down the drain with these new approaches that you have chosen. Your player base is concerned and the solution won't be to silence them.

Now you can put a lock on this one as well.

 

[Ironside121]

You sure they're being banned and not just being merged into one bigger thread?

With that being said though, I haven't seen any bigger threads.

What's wrong with the CK2 DLC's? They've had far better quality DLCs released compared to EU4 recently.

Also I have noticed one mod in particular being very...harsh, in their judgments on some forums.

 

[Kazanov]

Ck2 Dlc are amazing, what are you talking about.

 

[Xdevo]

Ck2 Dlc are amazing, what are talking about.

It really depends on the DLC; Holy Fury was very good, Monks and Mystics was not.

 

[brantodb01]

I think theyre just getting merged with the "Golden centuary - is that it?" thread

 

[Deleted member 471407]

We're not silencing anyone. What we do is try to maintain civility.

Every now and then controversy sparks within the community, like when we introduced Aggressive Expansion in EU4, Coalitions in CK2 to mention a few fairly recent happenings. The thing is that most of the complaints are being brought forth in full within a couple of days, and we are fully aware of them. However, the complaints keeps on getting iterated over and over and they overtake every discussion in the forum, leading to heated feelings and in some cases downright toxicity.

What we do with the more heavy handed moderation is trying to keep the discussion focused by sticking to specific threads like the [Megathread] Golden Century - is this it? -thread for example.

There is no gain for anyone to have every thread in the forum just be a copy paste of the previous one. We understand the concerns people have with Golden Century without listening to the same argument over and over for weeks. The hostility also scares away posters that wants to discuss other things. I know that for a bunch of people Golden Century is the most important thing in the world right now, and that nothing else is worth discussing. But if someone wants to talk about something else they must be allowed to do so.

Regarding how we deal with the feedback we've received
Game development and running a studio involves many aspects not necessarily visible to most users. Rest assured however, that the feedback we've received has been taken very much into consideration when planning what's going to happen next. Not everyone will be 100% satisfied in the future either, that will never happen. But we read your feedback and we do act upon it, although slower than most people would like. Europa Universalis IV is a huge project, and things can move a bit slow at times because of it.

TL;DR We don't try to silence anyone, we just try to keep a healthy environment for discussion going. The Golden Century discussion goes on, just not in every thread on the forum. We do listen to feedback very much, but sometimes we need time to be able to act upon it. The recent feedback has played a big role in the planning of the next step(s) we'll take with EU4.


We love that you guys are so passionate about EU4, and we want to give you a great game. You may not like what I've said here, but I just want to assure you that we listen and we act, albeit slowly at times.

 

[Martynios]

We're not silencing anyone. What we do is try to maintain civility.

Every now and then controversy sparks within the community, like when we introduced Aggressive Expansion in EU4, Coalitions in CK2 to mention a few fairly recent happenings. The thing is that most of the complaints are being brought forth in full within a couple of days, and we are fully aware of them. However, the complaints keeps on getting iterated over and over and they overtake every discussion in the forum, leading to heated feelings and in some cases downright toxicity.

What we do with the more heavy handed moderation is trying to keep the discussion focused by sticking to specific threads like the [Megathread] Golden Century - is this it? -thread for example.

There is no gain for anyone to have every thread in the forum just be a copy paste of the previous one. We understand the concerns people have with Golden Century without listening to the same argument over and over for weeks. The hostility also scares away posters that wants to discuss other things. I know that for a bunch of people Golden Century is the most important thing in the world right now, and that nothing else is worth discussing. But if someone wants to talk about something else they must be allowed to do so.

Regarding how we deal with the feedback we've received
Game development and running a studio involves many aspects not necessarily visible to most users. Rest assured however, that the feedback we've received has been taken very much into consideration when planning what's going to happen next. Not everyone will be 100% satisfied in the future either, that will never happen. But we read your feedback and we do act upon it, although slower than most people would like. Europa Universalis IV is a huge project, and things can move a bit slow at times because of it.

TL;DR We don't try to silence anyone, we just try to keep a healthy environment for discussion going. The Golden Century discussion goes on, just not in every thread on the forum. We do listen to feedback very much, but sometimes we need time to be able to act upon it. The recent feedback has played a big role in the planning of the next step(s) we'll take with EU4.


We love that you guys are so passionate about EU4, and we want to give you a great game. You may not like what I've said here, but I just want to assure you that we listen and we act, albeit slowly at times.

Someone was literally banned for posting a harmless (not related to complaints about GC) meme in a dev diary.

 

[AndrewT]

Someone was literally banned for posting a harmless (not related to complaints about GC) meme in a dev diary.

No they weren't. They may have picked up an infraction for OT posting (say), if that tipped them over the threshold into a ban they already had live infractions from previous rule breaches.

 

[Deleted member 471407]

As Andrew said: Sometimes people seem to be banned for minor things. Many small infractions build up to bigger repercussions.

 

[Dsingis]

I have had a very successfull thread about the direction EU4 is taking with DLC and features and being very critical about it, before it got merged into a Megathread about that topic, because there were too many thread about the same topic going on.

I see people crying "boo-hoo they delete my thread, boo-hoo I'm bein oppressed because I voiced my opinion and paradox doesn't like that" all the time.
Fact is: if you're a cunt about it, insulting everybody, trolling around, then you got banned/deleted/locked because of that.
If you voice your opinion in a civiliced manner, like I did people will start to discuss, the thread will be left alone and no one bats an eye.

If anyone wants to voice their disagreement on a certain area, then do so in a normal, civiliced way, you'll be surprised how "literally north korea" paradox will not take any actions against you.

 

[wthomas]

Opinions apparently aren't allowed here

When your opinion is expressed in a disrespectful manner (like calling the developers lazy), personally, I'd consider that trolling. You could say instead "I don't think there are enough features in this to add real depth. I wouldn't buy this one..." This is not the forum version of a dystopian YA novel.

 

[Kuantum]

Hmm i've criticized the recent Paradox DLC policy and quality, and didn't get any warning... Maybe they didn't read what i wrote, or simply ignored it, or hopefully took it has a valid opinion. The reality is that i never noticed any kind of censorship in this forum.

 

[2000wires]

Hmm i've criticized the recent Paradox DLC policy and quality, and didn't get any warning... Maybe they didn't read what i wrote, or simply ignored it, or hopefully took it has a valid opinion. The reality is that i never noticed any kind of censorship in this forum.

Paradox is simply removing Toxicity so people can have a good time discussing stuff about the game and so they can actually receive constructive criticism, or something along the lines of that. Some people are just taking it the wrong way.

 

[AndrewT]

Hmm i've criticized the recent Paradox DLC policy and quality, and didn't get any warning... Maybe they didn't read what i wrote, or simply ignored it, or hopefully took it has a valid opinion. The reality is that i never noticed any kind of censorship in this forum.

We do not delete or warn for criticism as such. We regard it as valuable if soundly based, expressed in a civilised way, and constructive.

Toxicity is out, certainly. These forums are effectively the workplace for numerous Paradox staff, and they should not have to deal with rudeness, trolling or other offensive behaviour any more than any other worker. If you wouldn't say it in a cafe or bookstore, don't say it here.

 

[Jernau_]

Paradox is simply removing Toxicity so people can have a good time discussing stuff about the game and so they can actually receive constructive criticism, or something along the lines of that. Some people are just taking it the wrong way.

Yes, so many gaming forums are unusable because of the level of toxicity. These forums are one of the few i still bother to read because it is moderated properly.

Anyone that dont understand why we need to moderate toxic behaviour should just go read the steam forums for a couple of minutes and see just how awful and useless they are.

 

[Kazanov]

Yes, so many gaming forums are unusable because of the level of toxicity. These forums are one of the few i still bother to read because it is moderated properly.

Anyone that dont understand why we need to moderate toxic behaviour should just go read the steam forums for a couple of minutes and see just how awful and useless they are.

Or can go into any World of Warcraft forums

Some gaming communities are too toxic to even try to participate on them.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Aggressive expansion in EU 4 is "recent" ?

Recent would be the corruption from territories/religion changes. It's been a few years since anything was as broadly unpopular/unjustified from development rationale perspective. Along with presenting idea group data then presenting alterations inconsistent with that data in the same thread there are only a handful of changes with similarly poor rationale in EU 4 history...things like ongoing fort beta, 15 year truces, primitive ship nerf had similarly incoherent rationale (if any was even given), but there aren't many such changes overall.

The single greatest problem in every single Pdox game I play is that the UI is bugged beyond acceptable levels and doesn't get patched, with everything from DLC to esoteric exploits being given priority over it. When the game says x = not x and it affects outcomes, it's not an "insignificant" problem, but Pdox titles consistently struggle with this.

I still exist on the forum though so it's not exactly full North Korea mode.

 

[petertju]

Lately you have also been deleting sarcastic posts for not being constructive. I feel an important part of this forum is the jokingly sarcastic way of talking to eachother and interacting.
Many of these posts were not toxic or insulting in my opinion. How do you feel about that and does all contribution to a forum have to be constructive?

(not talking about my own post that got removed, actually understood that one)

 

[Knuf Wons]

If you wouldn't say it in a cafe or bookstore, don't say it here.

Wait, does that mean we have to stop joking about killing babies and marrying sisters on the CK2 forums?

 

[Pigeoncount]

I have written several threads and posts that are critical towards Paradox decisions and not been banned or had my posts removed. Paradox are pretty reasonable around their communities from my experience.